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Does such car exist? (Tesla Maybe?)

hcho 6y ago
None of the cars I have driven in the last decade had physical keys. Owned a Nissan, Mercedes and Toyota, rented various BMWs, Peugeots etc...
- l33tman 6y ago
  In the keyfob there is usually a foldout key hidden even in modern cars
  - hcho 6y ago
    None of the cars I owned had this. I hadn't fiddled with the rented cars keys so those might have had it.
- zulln 6y ago
  A lot of them actually have a real key "hidden" within the digital fob, see example: https://www.bimmer-tech.net/blog/item/105-about-bmw-key-fob https://www.bimmer-tech.net/blog/item/105-about-bmw-key-fob I have never had to actually use it, but looked into it when I got low battery-warnings to make sure I would not be locked out. Assuming this is not a legal requirement I am sure there are models where this is not possible though.
  - kyriakos 6y ago
    those are for opening the doors but you cannot use them to start the engine
    - zulln 6y ago
      From the link: > Once inside your vehicle, insert your remote key fob in the ignition slot or, if your car doesn't have one, hold it against the key markings on the side of the steering column. You'll then be able to start your BMW with the start/stop button on your vehicle's dashboard, even if your key fob is dead. Other cars probably have other solution. It was possible in my case as well (not BMW) but do not remember the process.
- nucleardog 6y ago
  Mind listing some exact vehicle make+models? Because besides personal experience, googling the proximity keys of all of those brands shows the expected pop-out keys. Also photos of various models from all those brands in 2020 show key holes on the driver's door, which would suggest there is in fact a key somewhere that fits it.
gmueckl 6y ago
My car has only has a mechanical lock on the driver's door. And the manual strongly advises against regular use of that lock for some reason. Supposedly, it is just a backup. A quick search of other brands comes up with similar stories and anecdotes of these locks breaking quickly if someone was relying on then too much.
0x0 6y ago
Modern (all?) Teslas do not have a physical key hole at all, you need to use a key card or key fob or the app (which works over bluetooth)
zelos 6y ago
I only just realised that there is an emergency physical key door lock on my Hyundai, but you have to pry a cover off the door handle to get to it.
kyriakos 6y ago
my 6 year old nissan doesn't have a physical key. most keyless cars you can open the door but not start the engine without a functioning wireless key
- fy20 6y ago
  Are you 100% sure? My car (12yo Toyota) has keyless entry and start, and the fob has an RFID chip inside. If the car can't detect the fob (e.g. the battery is dead) you can hold it against the "Start" button which has a RFID reader. I ask, because this feature is not advertised other than a few sentences in the manual, and it seems a pretty badly designed feature to not have a backup. The fob also has a physical key hidden inside - although that's a bit more obvious as there is a key hole on the drivers door.
  - kyriakos 6y ago
    I found this https://www.douglassnissanofwaco.com/service/service-tips/how-to-start-a-nissan-with-dead-key-fob/ https://www.douglassnissanofwaco.com/service/service-tips/ho... So you may be right after all. I knew about the physical key but at the dealership they only said its used to open the doors.

hcho 6y ago

None of the cars I have driven in the last decade had physical keys. Owned a Nissan, Mercedes and Toyota, rented various BMWs, Peugeots etc...

l33tman 6y ago
In the keyfob there is usually a foldout key hidden even in modern cars
- hcho 6y ago
  None of the cars I owned had this. I hadn't fiddled with the rented cars keys so those might have had it.
zulln 6y ago
A lot of them actually have a real key "hidden" within the digital fob, see example: https://www.bimmer-tech.net/blog/item/105-about-bmw-key-fob https://www.bimmer-tech.net/blog/item/105-about-bmw-key-fob I have never had to actually use it, but looked into it when I got low battery-warnings to make sure I would not be locked out. Assuming this is not a legal requirement I am sure there are models where this is not possible though.
- kyriakos 6y ago
  those are for opening the doors but you cannot use them to start the engine
  - zulln 6y ago
    From the link: > Once inside your vehicle, insert your remote key fob in the ignition slot or, if your car doesn't have one, hold it against the key markings on the side of the steering column. You'll then be able to start your BMW with the start/stop button on your vehicle's dashboard, even if your key fob is dead. Other cars probably have other solution. It was possible in my case as well (not BMW) but do not remember the process.
nucleardog 6y ago
Mind listing some exact vehicle make+models? Because besides personal experience, googling the proximity keys of all of those brands shows the expected pop-out keys. Also photos of various models from all those brands in 2020 show key holes on the driver's door, which would suggest there is in fact a key somewhere that fits it.

gmueckl 6y ago

My car has only has a mechanical lock on the driver's door. And the manual strongly advises against regular use of that lock for some reason. Supposedly, it is just a backup. A quick search of other brands comes up with similar stories and anecdotes of these locks breaking quickly if someone was relying on then too much.

0x0 6y ago

Modern (all?) Teslas do not have a physical key hole at all, you need to use a key card or key fob or the app (which works over bluetooth)

zelos 6y ago

I only just realised that there is an emergency physical key door lock on my Hyundai, but you have to pry a cover off the door handle to get to it.

kyriakos 6y ago

my 6 year old nissan doesn't have a physical key. most keyless cars you can open the door but not start the engine without a functioning wireless key

fy20 6y ago
Are you 100% sure? My car (12yo Toyota) has keyless entry and start, and the fob has an RFID chip inside. If the car can't detect the fob (e.g. the battery is dead) you can hold it against the "Start" button which has a RFID reader. I ask, because this feature is not advertised other than a few sentences in the manual, and it seems a pretty badly designed feature to not have a backup. The fob also has a physical key hidden inside - although that's a bit more obvious as there is a key hole on the drivers door.
- kyriakos 6y ago
  I found this https://www.douglassnissanofwaco.com/service/service-tips/how-to-start-a-nissan-with-dead-key-fob/ https://www.douglassnissanofwaco.com/service/service-tips/ho... So you may be right after all. I knew about the physical key but at the dealership they only said its used to open the doors.