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Brazilian here: the government will say in TV it's doing its best effort to protect the forest. However, the president is appointing farmers and non-technical

Brazilian here: the government will say in TV it's doing its best effort to protect the forest. However, the president is appointing farmers and non-technical people all over those entities trying to protect the forest, and they are slowly giving rights, permits, etc. to deforestation. And sadly, despite this being tracked and advertised by TV or other news entities, very little is done to deter these criminals all over the current administration. MAYBE international lobbying could work with Brazil, as Germany threaten to reduce the money it gives to protect the forest in 2019 (I don't remember exactly when). And let's not forget that the Amazon forest does not end in Brazilian borders - it goes on in many countries over there. People just assume it's a Brazilian problem (I know a large portion is located in Brazil's side), but it's more a 10-country problem, not to say, a humanity problem...

childintime 6y ago
> but it's more a 10-country problem > People just assume it's a Brazilian problem Sadly I must disagree. Take a look at this satellite view: https://www.google.com/maps/@-11.4130559,-63.0321741,1330178m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@-11.4130559,-63.0321741,1330178... One can clearly see the typical scars, especially pronounced in Rondônia. Note how deforestation suddenly stops at the borders. Now drag to see neighboring countries (at the same zoom level). They have nowhere near the problem Brazil has.
- raister 6y ago
  Well, those are 'tricky' regions. I don't believe that in Rondônia they will say: "what, this tree belongs to Bolívia! don't take it down, please!". It's like a mess in the that 'border'. When Brazil stops then, and there are no more trees to take down in its side, then it will stop being a Brazilian problem? Maybe we should act to salvage what remains instead of discussing who's fault it is. Well, as we are discussing, another 100 trees were down.
  - childintime 6y ago
    > Well, those are 'tricky' regions. I don't believe that in Rondônia they will say: "what, this tree belongs to Bolívia! don't take it down, please!". Agree. All the more striking that it does obey borders. > When [Brazil stops then, and] there are no more trees to take down in its side, then it will stop being a Brazilian problem? So you think it is a problem of the world. Yet you as a brazilian feel dependent on the world to take positive action, and save the Amazon. In a way you are saying that the world must know how to do what Brazil itself does not know how to do.. Which superficially seems like a weird and unacceptable attitude to take: grow up!? Yet I sort of agree, as I think stakeholders throughout the world should literally take ownership, buy territory and take action to preserve. Only then can they have a conversation and compete with other (purely capitalist) interests. We are those stakeholders, through the companies we work at, and capitalism (as it ravages the Amazon) is ultimately only civilized by competition.
    - raister 6y ago
      Brazil does limit land purchase (officially land purchase) by citizens from other countries. The country could be forced to comply or sanctioned - and that's URGENT. It won't simply 'grow up' because the President himself was caught on tape saying things like "US and Europe destroyed their forests and became superpowers, now that it's our time (sic), they mingle in our sovereignty on deciding what to do with our own land!". He is vested on destroying it, on allowing deforestation, on putting incompetent people in key positions.
    - raister 6y ago
      > All the more striking that it does obey borders. And please, don't believe everything Google feeds you...

childintime 6y ago

> but it's more a 10-country problem > People just assume it's a Brazilian problem Sadly I must disagree. Take a look at this satellite view: https://www.google.com/maps/@-11.4130559,-63.0321741,1330178m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@-11.4130559,-63.0321741,1330178... One can clearly see the typical scars, especially pronounced in Rondônia. Note how deforestation suddenly stops at the borders. Now drag to see neighboring countries (at the same zoom level). They have nowhere near the problem Brazil has.

raister 6y ago
Well, those are 'tricky' regions. I don't believe that in Rondônia they will say: "what, this tree belongs to Bolívia! don't take it down, please!". It's like a mess in the that 'border'. When Brazil stops then, and there are no more trees to take down in its side, then it will stop being a Brazilian problem? Maybe we should act to salvage what remains instead of discussing who's fault it is. Well, as we are discussing, another 100 trees were down.
- childintime 6y ago
  > Well, those are 'tricky' regions. I don't believe that in Rondônia they will say: "what, this tree belongs to Bolívia! don't take it down, please!". Agree. All the more striking that it does obey borders. > When [Brazil stops then, and] there are no more trees to take down in its side, then it will stop being a Brazilian problem? So you think it is a problem of the world. Yet you as a brazilian feel dependent on the world to take positive action, and save the Amazon. In a way you are saying that the world must know how to do what Brazil itself does not know how to do.. Which superficially seems like a weird and unacceptable attitude to take: grow up!? Yet I sort of agree, as I think stakeholders throughout the world should literally take ownership, buy territory and take action to preserve. Only then can they have a conversation and compete with other (purely capitalist) interests. We are those stakeholders, through the companies we work at, and capitalism (as it ravages the Amazon) is ultimately only civilized by competition.
  - raister 6y ago
    Brazil does limit land purchase (officially land purchase) by citizens from other countries. The country could be forced to comply or sanctioned - and that's URGENT. It won't simply 'grow up' because the President himself was caught on tape saying things like "US and Europe destroyed their forests and became superpowers, now that it's our time (sic), they mingle in our sovereignty on deciding what to do with our own land!". He is vested on destroying it, on allowing deforestation, on putting incompetent people in key positions.
  - raister 6y ago
    > All the more striking that it does obey borders. And please, don't believe everything Google feeds you...