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> things like Yunohost, Sandstorm, and the like? They add dependencies, complexity and TOS to the stack. That's not appealing, even less so when it just promis

> things like Yunohost, Sandstorm, and the like? They add dependencies, complexity and TOS to the stack. That's not appealing, even less so when it just promises to hide cp+chmod. > UNIX system admin skills You talk about a single copy + chmod like being rocket surgery. I know that FUD. It helps selling administration tools and services and keeping people dependant. But I am all about enabling individual agency. So in the end operating anything requires care or call it administration. This complexity can be hidden (comes with additional otherwise unnecessary dependencies and lock in) or reduced (my admitted radical approach). So I both lower the bar and educate that cp+chmod don't hurt. The hardest part is prbly downloading and using a ftp client.

bwclk 6y ago
We have very different ideas as to what complexity is required versus necessary, and we also likely have very different ideas as to what the competitive landscape for a product like yours is. I do empathise with what you're saying, but there is nothing radical in your approach. It's a staid and common position in technical circles, and in my experience it lends itself to being blind sided. Hopefully you will prove me wrong but I think I'll be proven right.
- mro_name 6y ago
  I appreciate very much that you bear with me. I'll do my best to offer a low-fat, no-sugar option to get stuff into the internet, that's absolutely layperson-friendly. And contribute to the fediverse if wanted. And even the silos. Very few steps, no unexplained jargon, very few core concepts. Ideally no running code facing other users (alas, the search). Use existing tools, no NIH. Align with what the hosters explain and sell. But absolutely zero dependencies that might need patches (except a webserver). No node, PHP etc. No DB. A minimal trusted computing base. You can simply copy the whole site to backup/mirror it.
bwclk 6y ago
I'm going to have one last go. Low friction network services are inevitable. There will be point and click, or since it's 2021, tap, interfaces for allocating resources (compute, DNS, storage, etc) to services. The technology stack that makes that happen can be composed of open standards, protocols, and software, or it can be a proprietary gated one. Either way it'll probably be built on UNIX, it's just a question of whether we'll get a seat at the table, or if it'll be UNIX in the iPhone sense.

bwclk 6y ago

We have very different ideas as to what complexity is required versus necessary, and we also likely have very different ideas as to what the competitive landscape for a product like yours is. I do empathise with what you're saying, but there is nothing radical in your approach. It's a staid and common position in technical circles, and in my experience it lends itself to being blind sided. Hopefully you will prove me wrong but I think I'll be proven right.

mro_name 6y ago
I appreciate very much that you bear with me. I'll do my best to offer a low-fat, no-sugar option to get stuff into the internet, that's absolutely layperson-friendly. And contribute to the fediverse if wanted. And even the silos. Very few steps, no unexplained jargon, very few core concepts. Ideally no running code facing other users (alas, the search). Use existing tools, no NIH. Align with what the hosters explain and sell. But absolutely zero dependencies that might need patches (except a webserver). No node, PHP etc. No DB. A minimal trusted computing base. You can simply copy the whole site to backup/mirror it.

bwclk 6y ago

I'm going to have one last go. Low friction network services are inevitable. There will be point and click, or since it's 2021, tap, interfaces for allocating resources (compute, DNS, storage, etc) to services. The technology stack that makes that happen can be composed of open standards, protocols, and software, or it can be a proprietary gated one. Either way it'll probably be built on UNIX, it's just a question of whether we'll get a seat at the table, or if it'll be UNIX in the iPhone sense.