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You have similar anxieties with renting. "When will my landlord give me my 6 month notice?" Depending on your location and who you are finding an apartment for

You have similar anxieties with renting. "When will my landlord give me my 6 month notice?" Depending on your location and who you are finding an apartment for rent can't be easier. e.g. in Finland most landlords won't pick foreign names.

pjc50 6y ago
Six month notice? Try one month notice.
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have_faith 6y ago
> 6 month notice What alternative timeline is this?
- deanclatworthy 6y ago
  Europe :)
  - Dansvidania 6y ago
    Where in Europe? In my experience (In Italy, Spain, Czech Republic) the notice period is 2 months.
    - Hard_Space 6y ago
      UK. Source: Frequently happened to me when I rented.
      - jlokier 6y ago
        UK. Currently I can be given 2 months notice at any time. This is actually preferable to on the earlier time with this tenancy, where I could be given 2 months notice and also the landlord makes an active decision whether to renew or decline every 12 months. In fact they always send a no-reason formal eviction notice 3 months before the end of each 12 months renewal as a matter of policy, just to rub it in. (I would be surprised if that's legal. It seems against the spirit of eviction law where timescales are supposed to begin when a tenant refuses to leave, not months before they are supposed to leave) On one occasion they did decline to renew, giving no reason. They changed their mind at the last moment after I had a chat with the landlord's property manager. That was a source of great stress for me, not even knowing why. Eventually I found out. The agency (not landlord) told me, to my face, that they didn't know the why, couldn't get a reason, but the landlord had decided not to renew. But later the landlord's property manager told me that the agency had lied to my face and the landlord did not initiate the decline. It was the agency who had made the recommendation. I saw it advertised briefly at ~35% raise, so I suspect that was their motivation. These are not rent-controlled, I already pay a substantially above inflation annual raise, so it's not stuck on an ancient rate. If they had got a tenant in to replace me, not only would they have increased their agency fees as a percentage, they would have charged the landlord additional fees for processing a new tenant as well.
        nextos 6y ago
        Sadly, the UK rental market is terrible. Real estate managers are incentivized to change tenants frequently to generate more fees. Sometimes, this also goes against the interest of the landlord as depending on his contract he might need to pay pretty hefty readvertising fees.
        mkingston 6y ago
        Yeah, the UK rental market is pretty bad. My understanding is those fees are no longer legal. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/tenant-fees-act https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/tenant-fees-act See the section near the bottom starting "From 1 June 2019, the only payments that landlords or letting agents can charge to tenants in relation to new contracts are:" Anecdotally, it seems these fees have indeed disappeared, although few people I know now live in rental accommodation in the UK.
        nextos 6y ago
        Sure, the fees have disappeared for tenants, but not for landlords! I know because I've been renting myself till last summer. It's a step in the right direction. In a place such as Oxford or Cambridge you have tons of overseas landlords. Thus, agents are typically extracting fees from them by claiming the tenant has left and the house needs to be readvertised. But, in reality, the tenant wanted to renew the contract. Since they are not on-site, let alone managing the property themselves, it's easy to trick them. In other words, agents often have a perverse incentive to force a high tenant turnover. Some agents are not like this because they are more ethical, or because they guarantee a minimum income per calendar month. But, on average, it's a very nasty market as you've noted.
    - deanclatworthy 6y ago
      Finland. Never seen or heard of notice period on a "normal" rental less than 6 months. Tenant's usually can give 1 month notice. Landlord 6 months.
    - CorrectHorseBat 6y ago
      Belgium, 6 months minimum with conditions.
    - wiredfool 6y ago
      We got 4 months in Ireland, but the statutory requirement was less than that for the time that we had been there. Had we been in the house another year os wo, it would have been 6 months.
  - jlokier 6y ago
    Nope :-) In France I was given 2 weeks notice, immediately before Christmas. The landlord sold the property I was in without telling me, then gave me 2 weeks. That was difficult as I was booked to fly to the UK in 1 week. Finding another place to live at Christmas is difficult. Doing everything to process it including moving within 1 week is difficult. Luckily for me, some Mormon friends came to visit, and when I told them my predicament, they did everything to help me move my stuff quickly to my new temporary place. Good people - thanks guys! In January I had to find somewhere again, because I hadn't been find a suitable long term rental before Christmas.
    - Nodraak 6y ago
      This sounds very illegal. From what I know, in France the notice period is 1 month if it is "meublé", or 3 months if the appartment is empty. Edit: actually, I just checked and that's for tenants. If the landlord wants to break the contract to sell the property, it's 3 months for "meublé", 6 months otherwise.
      - guerby 6y ago
        Yes it's illegal in France, here is the official documentation: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F929 https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F929 3 to 6 month with certified letter before the sale, and can only happen at lease renewal dates (every 3 years).
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    That's illegal. They can't throw you out even when the contract run out unless they are moving in themselves.
- nom 6y ago
  Come to Germany where it's almost impossible for a landlord to get rid of a tenant unless there are special circumstances and lots of time, effort and money involved by the landlord.

pjc50 6y ago

Six month notice? Try one month notice.

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have_faith 6y ago

> 6 month notice What alternative timeline is this?

deanclatworthy 6y ago
Europe :)
- Dansvidania 6y ago
  Where in Europe? In my experience (In Italy, Spain, Czech Republic) the notice period is 2 months.
  - Hard_Space 6y ago
    UK. Source: Frequently happened to me when I rented.
    - jlokier 6y ago
      UK. Currently I can be given 2 months notice at any time. This is actually preferable to on the earlier time with this tenancy, where I could be given 2 months notice and also the landlord makes an active decision whether to renew or decline every 12 months. In fact they always send a no-reason formal eviction notice 3 months before the end of each 12 months renewal as a matter of policy, just to rub it in. (I would be surprised if that's legal. It seems against the spirit of eviction law where timescales are supposed to begin when a tenant refuses to leave, not months before they are supposed to leave) On one occasion they did decline to renew, giving no reason. They changed their mind at the last moment after I had a chat with the landlord's property manager. That was a source of great stress for me, not even knowing why. Eventually I found out. The agency (not landlord) told me, to my face, that they didn't know the why, couldn't get a reason, but the landlord had decided not to renew. But later the landlord's property manager told me that the agency had lied to my face and the landlord did not initiate the decline. It was the agency who had made the recommendation. I saw it advertised briefly at ~35% raise, so I suspect that was their motivation. These are not rent-controlled, I already pay a substantially above inflation annual raise, so it's not stuck on an ancient rate. If they had got a tenant in to replace me, not only would they have increased their agency fees as a percentage, they would have charged the landlord additional fees for processing a new tenant as well.
      - nextos 6y ago
        Sadly, the UK rental market is terrible. Real estate managers are incentivized to change tenants frequently to generate more fees. Sometimes, this also goes against the interest of the landlord as depending on his contract he might need to pay pretty hefty readvertising fees.
        mkingston 6y ago
        Yeah, the UK rental market is pretty bad. My understanding is those fees are no longer legal. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/tenant-fees-act https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/tenant-fees-act See the section near the bottom starting "From 1 June 2019, the only payments that landlords or letting agents can charge to tenants in relation to new contracts are:" Anecdotally, it seems these fees have indeed disappeared, although few people I know now live in rental accommodation in the UK.
        nextos 6y ago
        Sure, the fees have disappeared for tenants, but not for landlords! I know because I've been renting myself till last summer. It's a step in the right direction. In a place such as Oxford or Cambridge you have tons of overseas landlords. Thus, agents are typically extracting fees from them by claiming the tenant has left and the house needs to be readvertised. But, in reality, the tenant wanted to renew the contract. Since they are not on-site, let alone managing the property themselves, it's easy to trick them. In other words, agents often have a perverse incentive to force a high tenant turnover. Some agents are not like this because they are more ethical, or because they guarantee a minimum income per calendar month. But, on average, it's a very nasty market as you've noted.
  - deanclatworthy 6y ago
    Finland. Never seen or heard of notice period on a "normal" rental less than 6 months. Tenant's usually can give 1 month notice. Landlord 6 months.
  - CorrectHorseBat 6y ago
    Belgium, 6 months minimum with conditions.
  - wiredfool 6y ago
    We got 4 months in Ireland, but the statutory requirement was less than that for the time that we had been there. Had we been in the house another year os wo, it would have been 6 months.
- jlokier 6y ago
  Nope :-) In France I was given 2 weeks notice, immediately before Christmas. The landlord sold the property I was in without telling me, then gave me 2 weeks. That was difficult as I was booked to fly to the UK in 1 week. Finding another place to live at Christmas is difficult. Doing everything to process it including moving within 1 week is difficult. Luckily for me, some Mormon friends came to visit, and when I told them my predicament, they did everything to help me move my stuff quickly to my new temporary place. Good people - thanks guys! In January I had to find somewhere again, because I hadn't been find a suitable long term rental before Christmas.
  - Nodraak 6y ago
    This sounds very illegal. From what I know, in France the notice period is 1 month if it is "meublé", or 3 months if the appartment is empty. Edit: actually, I just checked and that's for tenants. If the landlord wants to break the contract to sell the property, it's 3 months for "meublé", 6 months otherwise.
    - guerby 6y ago
      Yes it's illegal in France, here is the official documentation: https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F929 https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F929 3 to 6 month with certified letter before the sale, and can only happen at lease renewal dates (every 3 years).
- Daho0n 6y ago
  That's illegal. They can't throw you out even when the contract run out unless they are moving in themselves.
nom 6y ago
Come to Germany where it's almost impossible for a landlord to get rid of a tenant unless there are special circumstances and lots of time, effort and money involved by the landlord.