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sounds like you really need the authentic "word of God" much more than others... like, you can't even appreciate the honesty and pivoted to something written 70

sounds like you really need the authentic "word of God" much more than others... like, you can't even appreciate the honesty and pivoted to something written 700 years later based off the same source material? well at least its just one person's rehashing of it and there is no ambiguity there. I can acknowledge that are plenty of other reasons to find Quran scholarship fulfilling, I just can't let a good irony go to waste.

countrymile 6y ago
Whether it is one person's rehashing is another debate. We don't possess any original Quranic manuscripts, early manuscripts show changes, parts of the Quranic script was eaten by goats and current manuscripts vary in content, albeit in minor ways. It's not to say that Mohammed didn't receive a correct revelation, that his followers didn't memorise it correctly and the first version of the Quran wasn't a perfect copy of Mohammed's revelations. It's just we don't have the original scripts to support this claim. And if we're going to subject the new testament to higher criticism then we need to do the same to the Quran. It's worth reading tom Holland and Dan brubaker. Others will disagree, but from a historical perspective there is a lack of evidence for the perfect recording of a single author.
- wnscooke 6y ago
  Could you suggest any particular book by either TH or DB?
  - countrymile 6y ago
    TH - in the shadow of the sword DB - Corrections in Early Qurʾān Manuscripts
notsureaboutpg 6y ago
I appreciate the honesty so much that I went looking for more verifiable answers. If there is no authentic Word of God, then the whole concept of revelation falls apart (what's the point of revelation if it's so subjective?). Many people say the Quran was written based on the Bible, but if the God of the Abrahamic faiths is the same and if the events outlined in the Bible really did happen, why would they be completely omitted by the third revelation (actually the fourth according to Muslim beliefs)? The truths discussed in the Old Testament are touched upon in the New Testament, why would they not also be touched upon in the Quran? >at least its just one person's rehashing of it and there is no ambiguity there Why isn't this the same for the New Testament? There the Prophet Jesus several times makes his own commentary on Old Testament books.

countrymile 6y ago

Whether it is one person's rehashing is another debate. We don't possess any original Quranic manuscripts, early manuscripts show changes, parts of the Quranic script was eaten by goats and current manuscripts vary in content, albeit in minor ways. It's not to say that Mohammed didn't receive a correct revelation, that his followers didn't memorise it correctly and the first version of the Quran wasn't a perfect copy of Mohammed's revelations. It's just we don't have the original scripts to support this claim. And if we're going to subject the new testament to higher criticism then we need to do the same to the Quran. It's worth reading tom Holland and Dan brubaker. Others will disagree, but from a historical perspective there is a lack of evidence for the perfect recording of a single author.

wnscooke 6y ago
Could you suggest any particular book by either TH or DB?
- countrymile 6y ago
  TH - in the shadow of the sword DB - Corrections in Early Qurʾān Manuscripts

notsureaboutpg 6y ago

I appreciate the honesty so much that I went looking for more verifiable answers. If there is no authentic Word of God, then the whole concept of revelation falls apart (what's the point of revelation if it's so subjective?). Many people say the Quran was written based on the Bible, but if the God of the Abrahamic faiths is the same and if the events outlined in the Bible really did happen, why would they be completely omitted by the third revelation (actually the fourth according to Muslim beliefs)? The truths discussed in the Old Testament are touched upon in the New Testament, why would they not also be touched upon in the Quran? >at least its just one person's rehashing of it and there is no ambiguity there Why isn't this the same for the New Testament? There the Prophet Jesus several times makes his own commentary on Old Testament books.