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I see I'm in the wrong on the obviousness of the ownership of the land. I wish I had a good way to verify such things. But I don't and I am getting that no one

I see I'm in the wrong on the obviousness of the ownership of the land. I wish I had a good way to verify such things. But I don't and I am getting that no one really has. So, because it's so hard to verify, does that than mean that it's ok to sell? Given that Brazil doesn't have a clear way of proving ownership, and people are abusing this situation and, and Facebook is making a profit of this abuse, while it's clear they're incapable of validating their statements, than I think it's reasonable to shut this service down for plots of lands in Brazil. Until either Facebook steps up their game of validating, or Brazil has a better way of proving ownership so this abuse doesn't happen. But profiting and facilitating while dodging all the blame is too easy in my opinion.

nindalf 6y ago
They don't have a way of verifying ownership of any other item on the marketplace either. That tablet I have for sale - did I steal it? Maybe. A thief can easily supply a forged receipt. An honest person who bought if for real might have lost their receipt. It's an intractable problem. It's not possible to verify ownership of every item there is. Should online marketplaces simply shut down then? If they are, people will get around it by making buying-selling groups. It is difficult to police behaviour that is, strictly speaking, legal. If your suggestion was to shut down land sales in Brazil in particular because of the evident failures of the Brazilian government, yeah seems reasonable. Not like it will stop these criminals, but it's a worthwhile step to take. You mentioned profit a couple of times. How much profit do you think the marketplace made in this case? My understanding is that listings are free.
- hetspookjee 6y ago
  No, I don't think all market places should shut down. This seems like an isolated problem: brazil land for sale is disputed. So, indeed I'm arguing that facebook should upend their services for this specific items untill it's been resolved. Regarsing the profit. I can't give a specific number. But nothing is free on Facebook or Google. You pay with your data and they provide you a service in return. Facebook creates value from this data and thus creates a profit. It's rather straightforward and not something I should have to explain on HN
  - umanwizard 6y ago
    It’s not an isolated problem to Brazilian land. Practically every item on any marketplace has some possibility of being stolen, or in the case of luxury/fashion goods, counterfeit.

nindalf 6y ago

They don't have a way of verifying ownership of any other item on the marketplace either. That tablet I have for sale - did I steal it? Maybe. A thief can easily supply a forged receipt. An honest person who bought if for real might have lost their receipt. It's an intractable problem. It's not possible to verify ownership of every item there is. Should online marketplaces simply shut down then? If they are, people will get around it by making buying-selling groups. It is difficult to police behaviour that is, strictly speaking, legal. If your suggestion was to shut down land sales in Brazil in particular because of the evident failures of the Brazilian government, yeah seems reasonable. Not like it will stop these criminals, but it's a worthwhile step to take. You mentioned profit a couple of times. How much profit do you think the marketplace made in this case? My understanding is that listings are free.

hetspookjee 6y ago
No, I don't think all market places should shut down. This seems like an isolated problem: brazil land for sale is disputed. So, indeed I'm arguing that facebook should upend their services for this specific items untill it's been resolved. Regarsing the profit. I can't give a specific number. But nothing is free on Facebook or Google. You pay with your data and they provide you a service in return. Facebook creates value from this data and thus creates a profit. It's rather straightforward and not something I should have to explain on HN
- umanwizard 6y ago
  It’s not an isolated problem to Brazilian land. Practically every item on any marketplace has some possibility of being stolen, or in the case of luxury/fashion goods, counterfeit.