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Driving characteristics are an argument for the sporty drivers as well.

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grecy 6y ago
Elon said the Model 3 would be quicker than a BMW M3 and have better handling. He said it would "beat anything in it's class on the track" Not content to believe him, Top Gear put it to the test. See for yourself: https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tesla-model-3-vs-m3-c63-and-giulia-top-gear-series-27 https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tesla-model-3-vs-... (Also, the Performance Model 3 had an over the air update to make it faster since this was filmed, and added track mode)
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  That's a fun video. Notably, I think every one of the cars it's pitted against cost much more than the Tesla. So this idea that Teslas are expensive compared to their peers doesn't hold water. The Mercedes that beat it in the 1/2 mile cost a whopping $160k and none of the other cars were even close in the quarter mile.
  - laut 6y ago
    The Mercedes AMG C 63 S costs USD $76,200 (MSRP) in the US according to https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/model/c-class/sedan/c63ws https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/model/c-class/sedan/c63ws
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      I got the impression they weren't racing the base model, but you are spot on. Regardless. It's still $20k more expensive than the Model 3 Performance it was against.
- hetspookjee 6y ago
  I believe that without doubt. I'm more referring to the organic nature of an ICE. You have the noises, the vibrations and power delivery curve and manual shifting. Regarding spreadsheet specs, an electric vehicle is better in almost every aspect. But in emotional value I believe there is still a tiny spot reserved for ICEs
  - sunstone 6y ago
    So an ICE is better than electric in much the same sense that a horse is better than an ICE.
    - hetspookjee 6y ago
      I think that's a fair comparison, indeed.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    > But in emotional value I believe there is still a tiny spot reserved for ICEs It is indeed tiny. People like to hear car engines rev at a car show or race track. Most of those same people don't want to have anything to do with those same sounds in their daily driver. Car manufacturers spend billions isolating the driver and the passengers from engine noises, vibrations, and in particular smells.

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Elon said the Model 3 would be quicker than a BMW M3 and have better handling. He said it would "beat anything in it's class on the track" Not content to believe him, Top Gear put it to the test. See for yourself: https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tesla-model-3-vs-m3-c63-and-giulia-top-gear-series-27 https://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/tesla-model-3-vs-... (Also, the Performance Model 3 had an over the air update to make it faster since this was filmed, and added track mode)

ogre_codes 6y ago
That's a fun video. Notably, I think every one of the cars it's pitted against cost much more than the Tesla. So this idea that Teslas are expensive compared to their peers doesn't hold water. The Mercedes that beat it in the 1/2 mile cost a whopping $160k and none of the other cars were even close in the quarter mile.
- laut 6y ago
  The Mercedes AMG C 63 S costs USD $76,200 (MSRP) in the US according to https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/model/c-class/sedan/c63ws https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/model/c-class/sedan/c63ws
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    I got the impression they weren't racing the base model, but you are spot on. Regardless. It's still $20k more expensive than the Model 3 Performance it was against.
hetspookjee 6y ago
I believe that without doubt. I'm more referring to the organic nature of an ICE. You have the noises, the vibrations and power delivery curve and manual shifting. Regarding spreadsheet specs, an electric vehicle is better in almost every aspect. But in emotional value I believe there is still a tiny spot reserved for ICEs
- sunstone 6y ago
  So an ICE is better than electric in much the same sense that a horse is better than an ICE.
  - hetspookjee 6y ago
    I think that's a fair comparison, indeed.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > But in emotional value I believe there is still a tiny spot reserved for ICEs It is indeed tiny. People like to hear car engines rev at a car show or race track. Most of those same people don't want to have anything to do with those same sounds in their daily driver. Car manufacturers spend billions isolating the driver and the passengers from engine noises, vibrations, and in particular smells.