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Facebook - facial recognition is enabled

45 points by rellimluap 15y ago

Shenglong 15y ago
This is really amazing. With so much feedback data, they could really fine-tune this. Imagine all the other practical applications...
- artmageddon 15y ago
  Part of me thinks it's indeed very cool, but part of me can't help but wonder when I'll walk into a store at the mall and hear "Welcome back, Artmageddon!" as some unseen Kinect-style camera looks up my face in some database shared by a whole network of advertisers.
  - pavel_lishin 15y ago
    I suppose that's about the time that this will come into fashion: http://ahprojects.com/c/itp/thesis http://ahprojects.com/c/itp/thesis
  - fossuser 15y ago
    Google was doing work on facial recognition software, but stopped because they feared its potential negative use for surveillance in dictatorships and other oppressive countries.
- d0ne 15y ago
  Imagine all the other political applications...
  - artmageddon 15y ago
    As I alluded to in my other post, I could only imagine the TSA getting a hold of this and integrating it into the scanners. I mean, that would be a great use for catching fleeing criminals, but of course, it's all too easy to use against normal people too as they've shown with less-advanced technologies.
    - Yrlec 15y ago
      If they do I will tatoo a SQL-injection attack on my forehead.
    - Shenglong 15y ago
      If we have nothing to hide, I think it'll work in our favor. I used to fly a lot, and at one point, I was held at US customs for 3.5 hours. In the end, apparently the reason was because I had too many different kinds of stamps in my passport. I've also been searched numerous times (although I guess it's small, considering how much I fly). If facial recognition could help in identifying criminals (starting to sound like Lie to Me), I'd be for it.
      - afterburner 15y ago
        "If we have nothing to hide," Right to privacy. Even people with nothing to hide don't like being monitored. I don't see how it would help in your situation either. "Lots of stamps" is annoying to passport control regardless of any other factors (just because you're not a listed criminal doesn't mean you aren't up to something), and I don't feel like the detainment time is going away anytimes soon for these kinds of things. Even if the information is easily accessed, you have to wait for the decision-maker to spare some time to consider the info and give you the OK.
      - artmageddon 15y ago
        Sorry, but "nothing to hide" is not a valid reason to enact this sort of measurement. Even if a person has a clean record, someone will find a way to indict that person of a crime, and that usually happens when laws change over time. The notion of a "terrorist" and "enemy combatant" have changed over time since 9/11. A person such as yourself traveling a lot is already going to be suspect - imagine if one day you had a label like these attached to you simply because you fly a lot? In a similar vein, one example is Megan's law, named after a young girl who was murdered by a convicted sex offender. The law was enacted to create a registry of such offenders to let people know when a sex offender would move into new neighborhoods - a modern day Scarlet Letter. The idea was "fine" in theory when it came to child molesters, but since then the definition of "sex offender" changed, which now encompasses near-age-consenting kids who would send each other risque pictures or an 18 year old having sex with a 17 year old. There are just examples, but that's why "nothing to hide" doesn't work in our favor.
tibbon 15y ago
I noticed this the other day. Kinda awesome and kinda scary.
kristiandupont 15y ago
This technology will theoretically enable fb to approximate your geographical location at a given time: http://kristiandupont.com/blog/2010/10/face-recognition-and-privacy/ http://kristiandupont.com/blog/2010/10/face-recognition-and-...
- hamner 15y ago
  Phone carriers already have this data, and Facebook does as well every time you access their website over standard methods
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  > then it hit me that this picture is likely to end up on Flickr, Facebook or some other online service. And even if it’s not visible where the picture was taken, it is probably geo-tagged, and it definitely has a time stamp. Which means that there is now proof of my whereabouts yesterday, available on the internet. One solution is to spam photos of yourself with false timestamps and geodata.
codeup 15y ago
Looking at the privacy, this was unimaginable 5-10 years ago. But Facebook's strategy of little steps is working. I'm quite sure people will accept this and most comments won't go beyond how amazing this is, creepy but still awesome and similar blabla.
- DrCatbox 15y ago
  Poison comes in small bottles...
spoold 15y ago
Would it be reasonable to assume that facial captchas are actually more to do with building a training database than security??
- reso 15y ago
  No. People said the same about Google and Facebook collection phone-numbers for security purposes, but the truth is, extra authentication methods like these are crucial to recovering accounts in the event of attacks. In any case, security teams at major companies are usually at-a-distance from product teams. In addition, companies like Facebook and Google have a distinct incentive to keep their product spam-free. This means that, so far as spam and security are concerned, the user's interests are completely aligned with the company.
Jun8 15y ago
This is exactly why I don't tag photos of myself and remove tags when a friend does it. I have no idea why people are zealous about tagging people in photos, if it's a friend you already know the name, if it isn't then do you need to know?
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  It's not to help me identify who's in a picture, but rather to make it simpler to find pictures of a person. Example: I want to photoshop a picture of my friend onto a dog; I could either load all pictures with him tagged in it, or laboriously go through all of my pictures from a given weekend, hoping that the picture I'm looking for is there. Result: http://i.imgur.com/C6mrd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/C6mrd.jpg
- yeahsure 15y ago
  Personally, I blocked the ability to tag me in any photos. I don't have to remove myself because no one but me can tag me in the first place.
  - koopajah 15y ago
    How did you block that?
    - unicornporn 15y ago
      I don't believe he/she did that, because it's not possible.
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45 points by rellimluap 15y ago

This is really amazing. With so much feedback data, they could really fine-tune this. Imagine all the other practical applications...

artmageddon 15y ago
Part of me thinks it's indeed very cool, but part of me can't help but wonder when I'll walk into a store at the mall and hear "Welcome back, Artmageddon!" as some unseen Kinect-style camera looks up my face in some database shared by a whole network of advertisers.
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  I suppose that's about the time that this will come into fashion: http://ahprojects.com/c/itp/thesis http://ahprojects.com/c/itp/thesis
- fossuser 15y ago
  Google was doing work on facial recognition software, but stopped because they feared its potential negative use for surveillance in dictatorships and other oppressive countries.
d0ne 15y ago
Imagine all the other political applications...
- artmageddon 15y ago
  As I alluded to in my other post, I could only imagine the TSA getting a hold of this and integrating it into the scanners. I mean, that would be a great use for catching fleeing criminals, but of course, it's all too easy to use against normal people too as they've shown with less-advanced technologies.
  - Yrlec 15y ago
    If they do I will tatoo a SQL-injection attack on my forehead.
  - Shenglong 15y ago
    If we have nothing to hide, I think it'll work in our favor. I used to fly a lot, and at one point, I was held at US customs for 3.5 hours. In the end, apparently the reason was because I had too many different kinds of stamps in my passport. I've also been searched numerous times (although I guess it's small, considering how much I fly). If facial recognition could help in identifying criminals (starting to sound like Lie to Me), I'd be for it.
    - afterburner 15y ago
      "If we have nothing to hide," Right to privacy. Even people with nothing to hide don't like being monitored. I don't see how it would help in your situation either. "Lots of stamps" is annoying to passport control regardless of any other factors (just because you're not a listed criminal doesn't mean you aren't up to something), and I don't feel like the detainment time is going away anytimes soon for these kinds of things. Even if the information is easily accessed, you have to wait for the decision-maker to spare some time to consider the info and give you the OK.
    - artmageddon 15y ago
      Sorry, but "nothing to hide" is not a valid reason to enact this sort of measurement. Even if a person has a clean record, someone will find a way to indict that person of a crime, and that usually happens when laws change over time. The notion of a "terrorist" and "enemy combatant" have changed over time since 9/11. A person such as yourself traveling a lot is already going to be suspect - imagine if one day you had a label like these attached to you simply because you fly a lot? In a similar vein, one example is Megan's law, named after a young girl who was murdered by a convicted sex offender. The law was enacted to create a registry of such offenders to let people know when a sex offender would move into new neighborhoods - a modern day Scarlet Letter. The idea was "fine" in theory when it came to child molesters, but since then the definition of "sex offender" changed, which now encompasses near-age-consenting kids who would send each other risque pictures or an 18 year old having sex with a 17 year old. There are just examples, but that's why "nothing to hide" doesn't work in our favor.

tibbon 15y ago

I noticed this the other day. Kinda awesome and kinda scary.

kristiandupont 15y ago

This technology will theoretically enable fb to approximate your geographical location at a given time: http://kristiandupont.com/blog/2010/10/face-recognition-and-privacy/ http://kristiandupont.com/blog/2010/10/face-recognition-and-...

hamner 15y ago
Phone carriers already have this data, and Facebook does as well every time you access their website over standard methods
pavel_lishin 15y ago
> then it hit me that this picture is likely to end up on Flickr, Facebook or some other online service. And even if it’s not visible where the picture was taken, it is probably geo-tagged, and it definitely has a time stamp. Which means that there is now proof of my whereabouts yesterday, available on the internet. One solution is to spam photos of yourself with false timestamps and geodata.

codeup 15y ago

Looking at the privacy, this was unimaginable 5-10 years ago. But Facebook's strategy of little steps is working. I'm quite sure people will accept this and most comments won't go beyond how amazing this is, creepy but still awesome and similar blabla.

DrCatbox 15y ago
Poison comes in small bottles...

spoold 15y ago

Would it be reasonable to assume that facial captchas are actually more to do with building a training database than security??

reso 15y ago
No. People said the same about Google and Facebook collection phone-numbers for security purposes, but the truth is, extra authentication methods like these are crucial to recovering accounts in the event of attacks. In any case, security teams at major companies are usually at-a-distance from product teams. In addition, companies like Facebook and Google have a distinct incentive to keep their product spam-free. This means that, so far as spam and security are concerned, the user's interests are completely aligned with the company.

Jun8 15y ago

This is exactly why I don't tag photos of myself and remove tags when a friend does it. I have no idea why people are zealous about tagging people in photos, if it's a friend you already know the name, if it isn't then do you need to know?

pavel_lishin 15y ago
It's not to help me identify who's in a picture, but rather to make it simpler to find pictures of a person. Example: I want to photoshop a picture of my friend onto a dog; I could either load all pictures with him tagged in it, or laboriously go through all of my pictures from a given weekend, hoping that the picture I'm looking for is there. Result: http://i.imgur.com/C6mrd.jpg http://i.imgur.com/C6mrd.jpg
yeahsure 15y ago
Personally, I blocked the ability to tag me in any photos. I don't have to remove myself because no one but me can tag me in the first place.
- koopajah 15y ago
  How did you block that?
  - unicornporn 15y ago
    I don't believe he/she did that, because it's not possible.

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