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This problem has affected my own decision making: the Hyundai/Kia electrics are a bit less expensive than Teslas, but Tesla has a far superior charging network

This problem has affected my own decision making: the Hyundai/Kia electrics are a bit less expensive than Teslas, but Tesla has a far superior charging network and solution, and, consequently, I'll likely have a Model Y shortly. In Arizona, at least, Electrify America is not anywhere near ready for prime time.

aryamaan 6y ago
The whole industry can benefit itself if they don't close charging stations to their cars only.
simonblack 6y ago
Thank God we didn't have this sort of rubbish with gasoline engines. "Sorry, I can't put Esso gas in my car, I can only use Shell" The sooner we get back to this situation (every vehicle uses any charger) the sooner EVs will be usable. Personally, I wouldn't have an EV as a gift, until the charging gets a whole lot easier, and the range gets a whole lot longer.
- jeffgreco 6y ago
  Perhaps one upside to there having been a “Standard Oil” ;)
- bsder 6y ago
  > Thank God we didn't have this sort of rubbish with gasoline engines. Erm, we did actually. One of the reasons for using the Turnpikes prior to about 1985 was that it guaranteed that you had gas stations at usefully spaced intervals. Someone who won the Turnpike contract had to run gas stations at some points where it wasn't profitable to do so simply to maintain the spacing.
  - simonblack 6y ago
    That inadvertently proves my point. ALL cars using that turnpike could be refueled, because they all used a common way of getting a source of energy using a standardised strength and type of fuel. Now imagine that same turnpike today and you only allow Tesla chargers to exist. What happens with the other brands of EVs?
    - bsder 6y ago
      My point was that the government effectively subsidized gas station construction in order to get sufficiently uniform coverage. Until you get the government subsidizing charging station construction you're not at the same point. 2020 electric coverage is probably more akin to 1955 gas station coverage. And, one point that everybody is leaving out is that non-home electric charging cost is hideous in most places. Even when you get coverage, the networks want to charge you stupidly more than the going rate for electricity.

aryamaan 6y ago

The whole industry can benefit itself if they don't close charging stations to their cars only.

simonblack 6y ago

Thank God we didn't have this sort of rubbish with gasoline engines. "Sorry, I can't put Esso gas in my car, I can only use Shell" The sooner we get back to this situation (every vehicle uses any charger) the sooner EVs will be usable. Personally, I wouldn't have an EV as a gift, until the charging gets a whole lot easier, and the range gets a whole lot longer.

jeffgreco 6y ago
Perhaps one upside to there having been a “Standard Oil” ;)
bsder 6y ago
> Thank God we didn't have this sort of rubbish with gasoline engines. Erm, we did actually. One of the reasons for using the Turnpikes prior to about 1985 was that it guaranteed that you had gas stations at usefully spaced intervals. Someone who won the Turnpike contract had to run gas stations at some points where it wasn't profitable to do so simply to maintain the spacing.
- simonblack 6y ago
  That inadvertently proves my point. ALL cars using that turnpike could be refueled, because they all used a common way of getting a source of energy using a standardised strength and type of fuel. Now imagine that same turnpike today and you only allow Tesla chargers to exist. What happens with the other brands of EVs?
  - bsder 6y ago
    My point was that the government effectively subsidized gas station construction in order to get sufficiently uniform coverage. Until you get the government subsidizing charging station construction you're not at the same point. 2020 electric coverage is probably more akin to 1955 gas station coverage. And, one point that everybody is leaving out is that non-home electric charging cost is hideous in most places. Even when you get coverage, the networks want to charge you stupidly more than the going rate for electricity.