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> they really don't need Apple other than as a brand I'd say that alone makes Apple worthwhile to China. I don't think China will be able to make a global bra

> they really don't need Apple other than as a brand I'd say that alone makes Apple worthwhile to China. I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime. In my part of Europe (and whenever traveling in Africa), I see more Huawei ads in the street on any given day than Apple ones. Apple is a global brand, but it is also a premium global brand, meaning it is only visible where salaries are high enough for people to afford it. Huawei and Xiaomi, on the other hand, are both global and affordable to even the developing world.
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  All your points are valid and I'm not saying China can't make a brand. But you're comparing Pepsi to Coke. Everybody knows which one is more desirable.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. So, not a good example. And you overestimate how much more desirable Apple seems over Chinese brands in the developing world: millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world.
    - Judgmentality 6y ago
      > "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. This is interesting. It's the opposite in most of the Americas, and I never saw anything like that in Europe. But I admittedly know very little about Africa and East Asia. > millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world. I'm not saying Chinese products aren't ubiquitous, I'm saying they can't build a globally dominant brand like Apple. These people also associate this stuff with being cheap, and once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. If anything this sounds like an argument for Android over Apple and I think it's backwards. Android is everywhere but Apple (I realize I'm being a little loose with iOS vs Apple) is still the premium brand. Anyway, I think we should just agree to disagree. Cheers.
      - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        > once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. Huawei’s range of products and reputation continues to grow. It is no longer seen, as it once was, as a low-end brand in much of Europe (that would be Xiaomi). So, by the time that developing-world populations are able to afford Apple solutions, Huawei would have already covered the higher-end segment and become known for quality. I strongly encourage you to see Africa and Asia firsthand before making claims about Apple versus other brands.
        Judgmentality 6y ago
        I realize this is going to sound like I'm being hyperbolic to continue the argument, but I've literally never seen a Huawei phone in my life. It's hard for me to imagine them becoming the Apple of anything when I don't know anybody who has one (at least to my knowledge). But you have a point. I have blind spots. I could be wrong. Ultimately this is just my opinion.
        Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        Your post history suggests that you are in the USA. That is where Apple phones have the greatest market penetration (and Huawei, perhaps, the least) and the mobile landscape looks most clearly like "Apple versus Android". But again, if you just get out there and travel the world, you will soon find that Apple is little-known in so much of it.
        rsj_hn 6y ago
        You understand that up until mid 2019 Hauwei was using Android, right? And even today, it's just a fork of android. Hauwei was never able to write their own OS or even create their own products. Their first routers would boot up with the IOS command prompt, and even their manuals had cut and paste of IOS documentation. Just blatant copying. Once Hauwei actually builds innovative operating systems and creates new product spaces that aren't ripped off copies of western models, they can start acquiring the reputation of making good products.

> they really don't need Apple other than as a brand I'd say that alone makes Apple worthwhile to China. I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago

> I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime. In my part of Europe (and whenever traveling in Africa), I see more Huawei ads in the street on any given day than Apple ones. Apple is a global brand, but it is also a premium global brand, meaning it is only visible where salaries are high enough for people to afford it. Huawei and Xiaomi, on the other hand, are both global and affordable to even the developing world.

Judgmentality 6y ago
All your points are valid and I'm not saying China can't make a brand. But you're comparing Pepsi to Coke. Everybody knows which one is more desirable.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. So, not a good example. And you overestimate how much more desirable Apple seems over Chinese brands in the developing world: millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world.
  - Judgmentality 6y ago
    > "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. This is interesting. It's the opposite in most of the Americas, and I never saw anything like that in Europe. But I admittedly know very little about Africa and East Asia. > millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world. I'm not saying Chinese products aren't ubiquitous, I'm saying they can't build a globally dominant brand like Apple. These people also associate this stuff with being cheap, and once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. If anything this sounds like an argument for Android over Apple and I think it's backwards. Android is everywhere but Apple (I realize I'm being a little loose with iOS vs Apple) is still the premium brand. Anyway, I think we should just agree to disagree. Cheers.
    - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
      > once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. Huawei’s range of products and reputation continues to grow. It is no longer seen, as it once was, as a low-end brand in much of Europe (that would be Xiaomi). So, by the time that developing-world populations are able to afford Apple solutions, Huawei would have already covered the higher-end segment and become known for quality. I strongly encourage you to see Africa and Asia firsthand before making claims about Apple versus other brands.
      - Judgmentality 6y ago
        I realize this is going to sound like I'm being hyperbolic to continue the argument, but I've literally never seen a Huawei phone in my life. It's hard for me to imagine them becoming the Apple of anything when I don't know anybody who has one (at least to my knowledge). But you have a point. I have blind spots. I could be wrong. Ultimately this is just my opinion.
        Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        Your post history suggests that you are in the USA. That is where Apple phones have the greatest market penetration (and Huawei, perhaps, the least) and the mobile landscape looks most clearly like "Apple versus Android". But again, if you just get out there and travel the world, you will soon find that Apple is little-known in so much of it.
        rsj_hn 6y ago
        You understand that up until mid 2019 Hauwei was using Android, right? And even today, it's just a fork of android. Hauwei was never able to write their own OS or even create their own products. Their first routers would boot up with the IOS command prompt, and even their manuals had cut and paste of IOS documentation. Just blatant copying. Once Hauwei actually builds innovative operating systems and creates new product spaces that aren't ripped off copies of western models, they can start acquiring the reputation of making good products.