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Tell China no, they extricate you from the country, and rewrite history that you never existed. Tell the FBI no, they'll posture, threaten, and sue, but not do

Tell China no, they extricate you from the country, and rewrite history that you never existed. Tell the FBI no, they'll posture, threaten, and sue, but not do anything too extreme that can't be payed off with lobbying and other backdoor political activity. Apple won't bite the rather large hand that feeds them, or manufactures 100% all of their overpriced gadgets that supply them profits from the rest of the world. China already has all their intellectual property handed over gracefully, they really don't need Apple other than as a brand.

Judgmentality 6y ago
> they really don't need Apple other than as a brand I'd say that alone makes Apple worthwhile to China. I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime. In my part of Europe (and whenever traveling in Africa), I see more Huawei ads in the street on any given day than Apple ones. Apple is a global brand, but it is also a premium global brand, meaning it is only visible where salaries are high enough for people to afford it. Huawei and Xiaomi, on the other hand, are both global and affordable to even the developing world.
  - Judgmentality 6y ago
    All your points are valid and I'm not saying China can't make a brand. But you're comparing Pepsi to Coke. Everybody knows which one is more desirable.
    - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
      "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. So, not a good example. And you overestimate how much more desirable Apple seems over Chinese brands in the developing world: millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world.
      - Judgmentality 6y ago
        > "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. This is interesting. It's the opposite in most of the Americas, and I never saw anything like that in Europe. But I admittedly know very little about Africa and East Asia. > millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world. I'm not saying Chinese products aren't ubiquitous, I'm saying they can't build a globally dominant brand like Apple. These people also associate this stuff with being cheap, and once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. If anything this sounds like an argument for Android over Apple and I think it's backwards. Android is everywhere but Apple (I realize I'm being a little loose with iOS vs Apple) is still the premium brand. Anyway, I think we should just agree to disagree. Cheers.
        Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        > once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. Huawei’s range of products and reputation continues to grow. It is no longer seen, as it once was, as a low-end brand in much of Europe (that would be Xiaomi). So, by the time that developing-world populations are able to afford Apple solutions, Huawei would have already covered the higher-end segment and become known for quality. I strongly encourage you to see Africa and Asia firsthand before making claims about Apple versus other brands.
        Judgmentality 6y ago
        I realize this is going to sound like I'm being hyperbolic to continue the argument, but I've literally never seen a Huawei phone in my life. It's hard for me to imagine them becoming the Apple of anything when I don't know anybody who has one (at least to my knowledge). But you have a point. I have blind spots. I could be wrong. Ultimately this is just my opinion.
        Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        Your post history suggests that you are in the USA. That is where Apple phones have the greatest market penetration (and Huawei, perhaps, the least) and the mobile landscape looks most clearly like "Apple versus Android". But again, if you just get out there and travel the world, you will soon find that Apple is little-known in so much of it.
Simulacra 6y ago
I disagree about the FBI, they can still make life miserable if they wanted to, just look at Michael Flynn. If the FBI wanted to, they could force Apple, but it wouldn't be pretty. IMO the problem with the FBI vs Apple is that the FBI is afraid of pissing off Apple, because the company has better, wealthier, more powerful friends.

Judgmentality 6y ago

> they really don't need Apple other than as a brand I'd say that alone makes Apple worthwhile to China. I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime.

Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> I don't think China will be able to make a global brand like Apple in my lifetime. In my part of Europe (and whenever traveling in Africa), I see more Huawei ads in the street on any given day than Apple ones. Apple is a global brand, but it is also a premium global brand, meaning it is only visible where salaries are high enough for people to afford it. Huawei and Xiaomi, on the other hand, are both global and affordable to even the developing world.
- Judgmentality 6y ago
  All your points are valid and I'm not saying China can't make a brand. But you're comparing Pepsi to Coke. Everybody knows which one is more desirable.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. So, not a good example. And you overestimate how much more desirable Apple seems over Chinese brands in the developing world: millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world.
    - Judgmentality 6y ago
      > "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. This is interesting. It's the opposite in most of the Americas, and I never saw anything like that in Europe. But I admittedly know very little about Africa and East Asia. > millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world. I'm not saying Chinese products aren't ubiquitous, I'm saying they can't build a globally dominant brand like Apple. These people also associate this stuff with being cheap, and once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. If anything this sounds like an argument for Android over Apple and I think it's backwards. Android is everywhere but Apple (I realize I'm being a little loose with iOS vs Apple) is still the premium brand. Anyway, I think we should just agree to disagree. Cheers.
      - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        > once they have the means they will want to switch to a more premium product, aka Apple. Huawei’s range of products and reputation continues to grow. It is no longer seen, as it once was, as a low-end brand in much of Europe (that would be Xiaomi). So, by the time that developing-world populations are able to afford Apple solutions, Huawei would have already covered the higher-end segment and become known for quality. I strongly encourage you to see Africa and Asia firsthand before making claims about Apple versus other brands.
        Judgmentality 6y ago
        I realize this is going to sound like I'm being hyperbolic to continue the argument, but I've literally never seen a Huawei phone in my life. It's hard for me to imagine them becoming the Apple of anything when I don't know anybody who has one (at least to my knowledge). But you have a point. I have blind spots. I could be wrong. Ultimately this is just my opinion.
        Mediterraneo10 6y ago
        Your post history suggests that you are in the USA. That is where Apple phones have the greatest market penetration (and Huawei, perhaps, the least) and the mobile landscape looks most clearly like "Apple versus Android". But again, if you just get out there and travel the world, you will soon find that Apple is little-known in so much of it.

Simulacra 6y ago

I disagree about the FBI, they can still make life miserable if they wanted to, just look at Michael Flynn. If the FBI wanted to, they could force Apple, but it wouldn't be pretty. IMO the problem with the FBI vs Apple is that the FBI is afraid of pissing off Apple, because the company has better, wealthier, more powerful friends.