> I will lose against these guys every single time It's true that you will not outperform HFTs consistently. But that's fine, you don't have to outperform them

> I will lose against these guys every single time It's true that you will not outperform HFTs consistently. But that's fine, you don't have to outperform them to make money. That's because the stock market is not just you and the HFTs, there are hundreds of thousands of other traders. If there's enough liquidity, you and the HFT can make the exact same trade and have the exact same profit (percentage). The HFT is not necessarily against you. You might buy low and sell high to an HFT, and the HFT might sell even higher and make additional profit. Again, you both made money and weren't against each other.