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The lack of control over hardware and software on contemporary Macs is a show-stopper for me. Once they get back to Snow Leopard ideology I'll return, until the

The lack of control over hardware and software on contemporary Macs is a show-stopper for me. Once they get back to Snow Leopard ideology I'll return, until then it's Linux or Windows for me

jonplackett 6y ago
What exactly is it you don’t like?
- fmajid 6y ago
  Fears were that they would be locked down like iPhones are, but there is Asahi Linux running on M1 already, and OpenBSD soon.
- bloqs 6y ago
  The reported SSD swap file wear and tear potentially writing off a whole laptop due to soldered drives is concerning to say the least
  - jonplackett 6y ago
    Important points, but not what they were talking about I don't think.
dangus 6y ago
This is a weird attitude I’ve seen where Snow Leopard is worshipped as “the greatest macOS version there ever was.” Apple’s design philosophy isn’t particularly different from that time. Snow Leopard was something of a feature freeze to make up for deficiencies with Leopard. Apple was never some pariah of hardware and software flexibility. If you had a PowerPC Mac or older you dealt with all kinds of incompatibilities from different peripherals, floppy disk formats, and physical connectors. The interoperability of Macs is the best it’s ever been, especially since Apple no longer deals with a <5% market share like the 1990s.
- TheCoelacanth 6y ago
  > Snow Leopard was something of a feature freeze to make up for deficiencies with Leopard. Could that be an indication that users don't really want new features in their OS?
  - auggierose 6y ago
    What you want and what you need are two different things ;-)
  - 6pac3rings 6y ago
    The feedback indicator for volume adjust on iOS reduces to toothpick thin finger nail high placed immediate to the button, not an improvement on the squircle that used to occupy half the screen. That deterioration in usability rests on the shoulders of higher pay grades political infighting, Apple beige era bigcorp bad old days ladder climbing gaming, resulting in lack of oversight on aesthetic overview effect. Or, nobody can say "no" anymore.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  I can't say for sure what aspect of "Snow Leopard design philosophy" the GP was referring to, but since they also mentioned "lack of control over hardware and software", that's one thing that comes to mind. I don't think enough people appreciate just how beautifully hackable OS X used to be. The Library folder was unhidden by default, basically inviting users to go explore their systems. Applescript and Automator were treated as first-class citizens, offering an easy way to extend existing apps. Custom themes—while never officially supported—were easy to make via a bit of file replacement, and there seems to have been quite a lot of them, if DeviantArt is any indication. And there was nothing to stop you from writing and loading your own drivers to add support for new hardware, as plenty of enthusiasts did. Today, stock apps like Music store data in obtuse and non-human-readable locations, Apple Events are virtually useless due to mandatory permission dialogs, kernel extensions are deprecated, and the root filesystem is mounted via a complex snapshot mechanism in which a reboot is required for changes to take effect. Perhaps this was always Apple's goal. Perhaps it was necessary for security. Perhaps, for a majority of users, it ultimately provides a better experience. But if you are someone who likes to tweak and customize your machine, OS X used to be a great home, in a way that it isn't today.
dangus 6y ago
Something else I forgot to mention in my first response to this comment: Snow Leopard dropped the price of the update from $129 to $29. This might have been part of its positive reception.

The lack of control over hardware and software on contemporary Macs is a show-stopper for me. Once they get back to Snow Leopard ideology I'll return, until then it's Linux or Windows for me

jonplackett 6y ago

What exactly is it you don’t like?

fmajid 6y ago
Fears were that they would be locked down like iPhones are, but there is Asahi Linux running on M1 already, and OpenBSD soon.
bloqs 6y ago
The reported SSD swap file wear and tear potentially writing off a whole laptop due to soldered drives is concerning to say the least
- jonplackett 6y ago
  Important points, but not what they were talking about I don't think.

dangus 6y ago

This is a weird attitude I’ve seen where Snow Leopard is worshipped as “the greatest macOS version there ever was.” Apple’s design philosophy isn’t particularly different from that time. Snow Leopard was something of a feature freeze to make up for deficiencies with Leopard. Apple was never some pariah of hardware and software flexibility. If you had a PowerPC Mac or older you dealt with all kinds of incompatibilities from different peripherals, floppy disk formats, and physical connectors. The interoperability of Macs is the best it’s ever been, especially since Apple no longer deals with a <5% market share like the 1990s.

TheCoelacanth 6y ago
> Snow Leopard was something of a feature freeze to make up for deficiencies with Leopard. Could that be an indication that users don't really want new features in their OS?
- auggierose 6y ago
  What you want and what you need are two different things ;-)
- 6pac3rings 6y ago
  The feedback indicator for volume adjust on iOS reduces to toothpick thin finger nail high placed immediate to the button, not an improvement on the squircle that used to occupy half the screen. That deterioration in usability rests on the shoulders of higher pay grades political infighting, Apple beige era bigcorp bad old days ladder climbing gaming, resulting in lack of oversight on aesthetic overview effect. Or, nobody can say "no" anymore.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
I can't say for sure what aspect of "Snow Leopard design philosophy" the GP was referring to, but since they also mentioned "lack of control over hardware and software", that's one thing that comes to mind. I don't think enough people appreciate just how beautifully hackable OS X used to be. The Library folder was unhidden by default, basically inviting users to go explore their systems. Applescript and Automator were treated as first-class citizens, offering an easy way to extend existing apps. Custom themes—while never officially supported—were easy to make via a bit of file replacement, and there seems to have been quite a lot of them, if DeviantArt is any indication. And there was nothing to stop you from writing and loading your own drivers to add support for new hardware, as plenty of enthusiasts did. Today, stock apps like Music store data in obtuse and non-human-readable locations, Apple Events are virtually useless due to mandatory permission dialogs, kernel extensions are deprecated, and the root filesystem is mounted via a complex snapshot mechanism in which a reboot is required for changes to take effect. Perhaps this was always Apple's goal. Perhaps it was necessary for security. Perhaps, for a majority of users, it ultimately provides a better experience. But if you are someone who likes to tweak and customize your machine, OS X used to be a great home, in a way that it isn't today.

dangus 6y ago

Something else I forgot to mention in my first response to this comment: Snow Leopard dropped the price of the update from $129 to $29. This might have been part of its positive reception.