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Not an expert on guerilla cyber-warfare, but isn't it the whole point of this sort of poisoning? If enough people do this the cost of those bouncing emails woul
by shervinafshar 6y ago
Not an expert on guerilla cyber-warfare, but isn't it the whole point of this sort of poisoning? If enough people do this the cost of those bouncing emails would become prohibitive. That's my speculation. Would be great to know more from someone who knows the domain better.
- jmatthews 6y agoYou don't bounce emails you prebounce them and clean up your list. This is part of any sensible data engineers process.
- jmatthews 6y agoMore helpfully, salting their db with real emails but fake contact info requires a more durable hygiene process and often isn't worth the effort for data driven shops. You serve a variety of email domains that validate as deliverable, then you accept emails and report the sender, which hurts their deliverability.
- TedDoesntTalk 6y agowhat is prebounce?
- shervinafshar 6y agoMy guess was they are referring to one of these services that check the validity of any email address. A false signal from one of these services prevented me from signing up for some random website with a .name domain the other day.
- tyingq 6y agoEmail them from a throwaway domain and ip, toss out hard bounces from the list, so you don't poison your SMTP reputation?
- remram 6y agoEven if you make your contact list 99% bounces and 1% real (and every user of the app does the same), I don't see how this becomes a problem for the app's operator. Remove a contact after 1-2 bounces and you're golden.
- shervinafshar 6y agoFair. Still golden if this needs to be done for all contacts of all users?
- remram 6y agoIf they bounce they are extremely fast to cull.
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- michaelcampbell 6y agoWho bounces any more?
- U8dcN7vx 6y agoEveryone except nutters. Google bounces. Microsoft too. I don't know of any provider that doesn't. Surely someone somewhere does not bounce but they are in the minority.
- dogman144 6y agoPretty nifty side point: > If enough people do this the cost of those bouncing emails would become prohibitive. This idea got a ton of attention in early days tech that led to what's known as proof of work: see bitcoin. The primitives of btc show up in a lot of interesting areas.
- geoduck14 6y agoOh! I know! I work for a large company. At one point, we sent so much junk mail, we were the Post Office's #1 customer (in the US). We have started to send junk emails, too. There is a Swedish company (non profit? Activist group? IDK) called SpamHause. They partner with ISPs to help block spam. Their process is something along the lines of: 1) Inject fake email addresses into lists of email addresses that are bought/sold WITHOUT user consent 2) Wait until someone UNAUTHORIZED emails them spam 3) Tell the ISPs (and anyone else who will listen) to STOP processing emails from the companies that sent them spam. 4) The ISPs block the companies because SpamHause is reputable and REALLY good at finding spam, also the ISPs save money by "not having to process the spam We accidentally got a hold of a bad batch of email addresses several years ago and we spent MONTHS trying to fishout and overhaul our email authorization process. It cost us $10s of millions. Also, WHY were we sending that spam?!?