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Q: What's to stop me taking sometime else's art I find online, claiming it's mine, turning it into a NFT and making money from it? A: Absolutely nothing ... I

Q: What's to stop me taking sometime else's art I find online, claiming it's mine, turning it into a NFT and making money from it? A: Absolutely nothing ... I think?

dorkwood 6y ago
This guy made a few hundred thousand by doing just that. https://mobile.twitter.com/muratpak/status/1358574860172156929 https://mobile.twitter.com/muratpak/status/13585748601721569...
- grenoire 6y ago
  Jesus Christ...
- tomgp 6y ago
  Every generation gets the million dollar homepage it deserves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage
- TigeriusKirk 6y ago
  But is that substantially different from this? https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-andy-warhol-colored-mona-lisa-5896014/?lid=1&from=relatedlot&intobjectid=5896014 https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-andy-warhol-colored-mona-l...
  - jarofgreen 6y ago
    Or artists like Richard Prince. Prince has been sued several times and made several settlements. But - his court victories depended on the argument that he actually transformed the works he copied. If someone just claims ownership of a art work on a blockchain, I'm not sure that's the same thing.
- Igelau 6y ago
  Oh man, it's even structured like a penny auction where the majority tile holder 'owns' the "final creation". I'm willing to grant that it's slightly slightly interesting to consider what some works would look like if they were chopped to pieces and reconstituted from only the pieces people would individually bid on. There's an artistic statement in there somewhere. But the pomp and slime that this is presented with completely obscure that.
eigenvalue 6y ago
In my project, we use robust near-duplicate image detection based on image fingerprints that are generated from deep learning models. So if an image has already been registered on our system, no one else can register it.
- egypturnash 6y ago
  Do you have a system in place for an artist to say “hey some asshole registered my art before I even heard of your project, no seriously, here is a screen grab of it in the editor/a closeup of the canvas/some other snippet of the Original File”?
  - dorkwood 6y ago
    If a "behind the scenes" screenshot outweighs an NFT in terms of proving authenticity, then why are we making NFTs in the first place?
  - eigenvalue 6y ago
    Yes there will be a decentralized mechanism for posting essentially a “petition for relief” where they can lay out their case, but it will be optional and at the discretion of the operators of the “masternodes” in the system whether to grant relief. If the petitioner can attract enough votes then it would nullify the original registration. Anyone can operate a masternode but it requires locking up a lot of the coin to prevent Sybil attacks.
    - meheleventyone 6y ago
      That doesn’t seem to be a very confidence inspiring answer to deal with fraud.
      - eigenvalue 6y ago
        It's a difficult issue to handle in decentralized systems, especially in a way that scales with growth in the network. Any mechanism that is not voluntary/optional but which requires some human judgment would necessarily introduce centralization and various attack vectors to undermine the system, such as people filing thousands of fake petitions as a kind of DDOS attack.
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Q: What's to stop me taking sometime else's art I find online, claiming it's mine, turning it into a NFT and making money from it? A: Absolutely nothing ... I think?

dorkwood 6y ago

This guy made a few hundred thousand by doing just that. https://mobile.twitter.com/muratpak/status/1358574860172156929 https://mobile.twitter.com/muratpak/status/13585748601721569...

grenoire 6y ago
Jesus Christ...
tomgp 6y ago
Every generation gets the million dollar homepage it deserves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage
TigeriusKirk 6y ago
But is that substantially different from this? https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-andy-warhol-colored-mona-lisa-5896014/?lid=1&from=relatedlot&intobjectid=5896014 https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-andy-warhol-colored-mona-l...
- jarofgreen 6y ago
  Or artists like Richard Prince. Prince has been sued several times and made several settlements. But - his court victories depended on the argument that he actually transformed the works he copied. If someone just claims ownership of a art work on a blockchain, I'm not sure that's the same thing.
Igelau 6y ago
Oh man, it's even structured like a penny auction where the majority tile holder 'owns' the "final creation". I'm willing to grant that it's slightly slightly interesting to consider what some works would look like if they were chopped to pieces and reconstituted from only the pieces people would individually bid on. There's an artistic statement in there somewhere. But the pomp and slime that this is presented with completely obscure that.

eigenvalue 6y ago

In my project, we use robust near-duplicate image detection based on image fingerprints that are generated from deep learning models. So if an image has already been registered on our system, no one else can register it.

egypturnash 6y ago
Do you have a system in place for an artist to say “hey some asshole registered my art before I even heard of your project, no seriously, here is a screen grab of it in the editor/a closeup of the canvas/some other snippet of the Original File”?
- dorkwood 6y ago
  If a "behind the scenes" screenshot outweighs an NFT in terms of proving authenticity, then why are we making NFTs in the first place?
- eigenvalue 6y ago
  Yes there will be a decentralized mechanism for posting essentially a “petition for relief” where they can lay out their case, but it will be optional and at the discretion of the operators of the “masternodes” in the system whether to grant relief. If the petitioner can attract enough votes then it would nullify the original registration. Anyone can operate a masternode but it requires locking up a lot of the coin to prevent Sybil attacks.
  - meheleventyone 6y ago
    That doesn’t seem to be a very confidence inspiring answer to deal with fraud.
    - eigenvalue 6y ago
      It's a difficult issue to handle in decentralized systems, especially in a way that scales with growth in the network. Any mechanism that is not voluntary/optional but which requires some human judgment would necessarily introduce centralization and various attack vectors to undermine the system, such as people filing thousands of fake petitions as a kind of DDOS attack.

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