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I try to read all perspectives. I appreciate that a lot of people believe vaccination is the only way out of the pandemic, but I think it's a mistake to put 'al

I try to read all perspectives. I appreciate that a lot of people believe vaccination is the only way out of the pandemic, but I think it's a mistake to put 'all the eggs in one basket. I haven't noticed much in the way of efforts to help people become healthier so they can have mild cases of COVID-19, COVID-21, COVID-23, etc. Furthermore, why are the medical industry wasting vaccine supply on people who are already immune due to surviving their infection? If a person loses antibodies after 6 months from a natural infection, why would they be expected to have antibodies for longer from a vaccine? I haven't noticed many attempts to rationalize vaccinating people who've already had a case of the SARS-CoV-2. The CDC says "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19." [0] But that's just "trust us we're experts." [0] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.htm... This week I learned my hair stylist had a mild case in January. She diligently wears her mask, but was not protected from getting exposed to her symptomatic co-worker. She was symptomatic herself for 5 days, and recovered without getting too sick. (Her husband was not so lucky, but survived his hospitalization.) She said she's waiting patiently until she too can get vaccinated. My uncle got himself hospitalized in December 2020 or January 2021. He recovered, but just got vaccinated anyways, even though he certainly still had the antibodies. My brother said our uncle was attesting to his faith in in the vaccine - I think the technical term is "virtue signaling". I think my uncle ought to know better than to use vaccines recreationally. My brother and his wife both had SARS-CoV-2... He was rather sick for a week or two. She was asymptomatic, but tested positive for antibodies. They both got vaccinated, 7 months after their illness/exposure. My brother was presumably coerced by his workplace, she was probably virtue signaling too. SARS-CoV-1 burned out after two years. Why would this version be any different? Is not vaccinating people who've already recovered from SARS-CoV-2 the smarter approach to achieving population immunity?

manwe150 6y ago
I think you're being downvoted since you are rhetorically asking questions people have already beat to death. The main two answers being (a) each virus behaves differently, so extrapolation should be done carefully, and not just from your personal experience with surviving past flu's (b) there isn't a limit on how much vaccine we can produce in total, so there isn't really a good reason not to get it. That's perhaps like saying the flu vaccine is only half effective (which is true), so I'd rather get sick twice as often, rather than signal that I trust science.
vmception 6y ago
the mRNA vaccines give the body a blueprint for antibodies, whereas actual exposure has the body creating non-uniform reactions. so that means prior exposed people should "use vaccines recreationally", as in "have a medical professional administer the dosages after an appointment". the singleshot vaccines are not mRNA based and just help jumpstart coverage. the only goal now is coverage, and these increase the delta week over week of how fast and how far that coverage is. it will allow municipalities to rationalized re-opening all services sooner, by simply having a record of how much of the population has been addressed. there are many people and organizations and medical professionals making efforts to help people become healthier. many people are trying to find specific links and everything they have right now is much worse than "trust us we're experts" because people don't know. fortunately there is a large audience that would prefer certain messaging to come from anybody but an expert, know anybody like that? so take all the supplements and stay active, because it can't hurt right? all the correlations support it. that's the exact approach regarding the vaccines too, there is no use of any of the approved vaccines worldwide that is worse than contracting covid, even asymptomatic covid. if you are of the predilection that taking vaccines is the same as candy flipping then it should be obvious that will guide your thoughts, the goal of the heads of state is to get enough vaccines available as soon as possible, and that's what they are doing.
Majromax 6y ago
> Furthermore, why are the medical industry wasting vaccine supply on people who are already immune due to surviving their infection? Suppose you're running a vaccine clinic. It's infinitely easier to check prospective patients for their bare demographic facts -- age, residence status, etc -- than it is to first administer an antibody test to see if they qualify for the vaccine. At best, you'd stretch supplies by 1/(1-seroprevalence), so maybe 30-40%. But in turn, you'd need to take multiple steps to verify patients, and you'd likely lose some along the way who would otherwise qualify (just from the hassle or multiple contacts).

manwe150 6y ago

I think you're being downvoted since you are rhetorically asking questions people have already beat to death. The main two answers being (a) each virus behaves differently, so extrapolation should be done carefully, and not just from your personal experience with surviving past flu's (b) there isn't a limit on how much vaccine we can produce in total, so there isn't really a good reason not to get it. That's perhaps like saying the flu vaccine is only half effective (which is true), so I'd rather get sick twice as often, rather than signal that I trust science.

vmception 6y ago

the mRNA vaccines give the body a blueprint for antibodies, whereas actual exposure has the body creating non-uniform reactions. so that means prior exposed people should "use vaccines recreationally", as in "have a medical professional administer the dosages after an appointment". the singleshot vaccines are not mRNA based and just help jumpstart coverage. the only goal now is coverage, and these increase the delta week over week of how fast and how far that coverage is. it will allow municipalities to rationalized re-opening all services sooner, by simply having a record of how much of the population has been addressed. there are many people and organizations and medical professionals making efforts to help people become healthier. many people are trying to find specific links and everything they have right now is much worse than "trust us we're experts" because people don't know. fortunately there is a large audience that would prefer certain messaging to come from anybody but an expert, know anybody like that? so take all the supplements and stay active, because it can't hurt right? all the correlations support it. that's the exact approach regarding the vaccines too, there is no use of any of the approved vaccines worldwide that is worse than contracting covid, even asymptomatic covid. if you are of the predilection that taking vaccines is the same as candy flipping then it should be obvious that will guide your thoughts, the goal of the heads of state is to get enough vaccines available as soon as possible, and that's what they are doing.

Majromax 6y ago

> Furthermore, why are the medical industry wasting vaccine supply on people who are already immune due to surviving their infection? Suppose you're running a vaccine clinic. It's infinitely easier to check prospective patients for their bare demographic facts -- age, residence status, etc -- than it is to first administer an antibody test to see if they qualify for the vaccine. At best, you'd stretch supplies by 1/(1-seroprevalence), so maybe 30-40%. But in turn, you'd need to take multiple steps to verify patients, and you'd likely lose some along the way who would otherwise qualify (just from the hassle or multiple contacts).