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How about we just ensure everyone has enough by implementing UBI or a negative tax rate, combined with medicare for all? Then everyone has what they need withou

How about we just ensure everyone has enough by implementing UBI or a negative tax rate, combined with medicare for all? Then everyone has what they need without the complexity of turning humans into financial objects.

hourislate 6y ago
The system is based on Scarcity and Inflation. There can never be abundance. A good example is the US has wasted 10 Trillion plus (since 2008) fighting Deflation and hasn't made the slightest difference, Technological Deflation continues to eat the world at an exponential rate.
EdwinLarkin 6y ago
This would not work.UBI would raise inflation to sky high level making basic utilities and products super expensive. UBI needs to be combined with taxes and tax exemptions on things that are essential to life like housing and healthy food,healthcare and some other things I cant think of right now.Everything else can be treated as a luxury and can be achieved through conventional capitalist methods.
- hedora 6y ago
  UBI + a flat tax with no exemptions can be tuned so that the UBI covers everything welfare programs currently provide, the middle class pays about the same, and all of the wealthy pay their fair share. It would eliminate many classes of fraud, government spending on administration of social services, and also the tax preparation industry. I think those are the main reasons it doesn’t happen.
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- mnd999 6y ago
  It sounds like you’re suggesting preemptively increasing sales taxes on luxuries to prevent richer people buying them with their UBI and thus pushing the prices up. The net is the same, prices including sales tax (which everyone pays anyway) go up. If this is an attempt to fund UBI with sales taxes on luxuries (and I’m speculating here) then this could be achieved with progressive taxation - cut income tax for the poor and increase it for those who would be buying the luxuries. I don’t subscribe to the view that this is necessary to support UBI though. Most of it, outside of the well off will get spend on basics anyway. More of a concern for me would be employers cutting wages.
  - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
    My idea is not to tax luxuries to finance UBI.The point is to make UBI a sustainable thing not just a flat income that still plays according to the the market rules (inflation). UBI needs to be coupled with progressive thinking.Simply build more houses and tax NIMBY or find a way to build more houses quickly. The same applies to food.

hourislate 6y ago

The system is based on Scarcity and Inflation. There can never be abundance. A good example is the US has wasted 10 Trillion plus (since 2008) fighting Deflation and hasn't made the slightest difference, Technological Deflation continues to eat the world at an exponential rate.

EdwinLarkin 6y ago

This would not work.UBI would raise inflation to sky high level making basic utilities and products super expensive. UBI needs to be combined with taxes and tax exemptions on things that are essential to life like housing and healthy food,healthcare and some other things I cant think of right now.Everything else can be treated as a luxury and can be achieved through conventional capitalist methods.

hedora 6y ago
UBI + a flat tax with no exemptions can be tuned so that the UBI covers everything welfare programs currently provide, the middle class pays about the same, and all of the wealthy pay their fair share. It would eliminate many classes of fraud, government spending on administration of social services, and also the tax preparation industry. I think those are the main reasons it doesn’t happen.
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mnd999 6y ago
It sounds like you’re suggesting preemptively increasing sales taxes on luxuries to prevent richer people buying them with their UBI and thus pushing the prices up. The net is the same, prices including sales tax (which everyone pays anyway) go up. If this is an attempt to fund UBI with sales taxes on luxuries (and I’m speculating here) then this could be achieved with progressive taxation - cut income tax for the poor and increase it for those who would be buying the luxuries. I don’t subscribe to the view that this is necessary to support UBI though. Most of it, outside of the well off will get spend on basics anyway. More of a concern for me would be employers cutting wages.
- EdwinLarkin 6y ago
  My idea is not to tax luxuries to finance UBI.The point is to make UBI a sustainable thing not just a flat income that still plays according to the the market rules (inflation). UBI needs to be coupled with progressive thinking.Simply build more houses and tax NIMBY or find a way to build more houses quickly. The same applies to food.