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What is hard to understand? Orwell is about big brother watching you. Apple collects all our data. This allows an incredible amount of control, doesn't it? One

What is hard to understand? Orwell is about big brother watching you. Apple collects all our data. This allows an incredible amount of control, doesn't it? One of the questions is: is iCloud only the bone that Apple hands us, while they get the meat. It is naive to believe that all these masses of data are stored only for our convenience. The investment for server farms is huge, so there must be a return, right? Thats business. We also know that, since the internet still tends to offer free services, our data is what we use to pay with. Apple takes this to the next level (like always). Microsoft has tried the same back in the 90s with their slim workstations (don't exactly remember the name). The idea was: the Pc only has a small drive (with windows on it), the data is stored in the internet. Back then it completely failed and the idea was criticized a lot. Today, combined with a useful service, people seem to accept it. Is that really a good development?

tobylane 15y ago
Watching over our music tastes (Genius did this already), calenders (iCal, Calendar, MobileMe) and so on. If you want to say they have too much information on us, you didn't pick your target well (they care more about user privacy than most companies).
- mironathetin 15y ago
  "If you want to say they have too much information on us, you didn't pick your target well (they care more about user privacy than most companies)." Perhaps yes. I tend to think that Steve Jobs indeed has a service in mind. But it was easy to see yesterday that Steve may not be with us any more for long. Who comes next? Erich Schmidt? Or types like Marc Zuckerberg (surely not he himself)? I certainly don't want my data in hands like this. Do you?
  - tobylane 15y ago
    Yes, Eric and Mark aren't the people I want having much data, but then at least Facebook doesn't really give your information to the advertisers, it just looks like it. Apple will always care, it doesn't matter who's CEO.
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    - mironathetin 15y ago
      "Apple will always care, it doesn't matter who's CEO." Rofl
    - cph1 15y ago
      - "Facebook doesn't really give your information to the advertisers" How do you know? I think this is an appropriate time to mention what Zuckerberg once said about Facebook users: "They trust me - dumb fucks." - "Apple will always care" Apple uses conflict minerals and has its devices made on slave-like factories. You really think they care about anything other than creating value for its stockholders? I use Apple products myself, but I'm certainly not naive about how big business works.
      - tobylane 15y ago
        If you research their ad system, there's a lot of easily findable stuff about how your friends names get involved, and how you're matched to the ads, not the other way around.
        cph1 15y ago
        I know their ad system - I've used it myself. My point is that they may do other kinds of things without you knowing.
        tobylane 15y ago
        That's getting close to paranoia. EU law is enough to keep you safe, and Facebook follows such law, here's what they have to say https://www.facebook.com/policy.php https://www.facebook.com/policy.php
        cph1 15y ago
        > That's getting close to paranoia. Selling users' personal data to data mining and advertising companies is very common. It's not really paranoid to think that Facebook would do such a thing, considering that they call their users trusting dumb fucks and blatantly disregard their users' request for decent privacy. > EU law is enough to keep you safe Most of the times when an American Internet company have been challenged by EU law, the response from the company has been, "We're an American company, and our users uploaded their data to our servers which are placed in America." Then there's not much EU can do.

tobylane 15y ago

Watching over our music tastes (Genius did this already), calenders (iCal, Calendar, MobileMe) and so on. If you want to say they have too much information on us, you didn't pick your target well (they care more about user privacy than most companies).

mironathetin 15y ago
"If you want to say they have too much information on us, you didn't pick your target well (they care more about user privacy than most companies)." Perhaps yes. I tend to think that Steve Jobs indeed has a service in mind. But it was easy to see yesterday that Steve may not be with us any more for long. Who comes next? Erich Schmidt? Or types like Marc Zuckerberg (surely not he himself)? I certainly don't want my data in hands like this. Do you?
- tobylane 15y ago
  Yes, Eric and Mark aren't the people I want having much data, but then at least Facebook doesn't really give your information to the advertisers, it just looks like it. Apple will always care, it doesn't matter who's CEO.
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  - mironathetin 15y ago
    "Apple will always care, it doesn't matter who's CEO." Rofl
  - cph1 15y ago
    - "Facebook doesn't really give your information to the advertisers" How do you know? I think this is an appropriate time to mention what Zuckerberg once said about Facebook users: "They trust me - dumb fucks." - "Apple will always care" Apple uses conflict minerals and has its devices made on slave-like factories. You really think they care about anything other than creating value for its stockholders? I use Apple products myself, but I'm certainly not naive about how big business works.
    - tobylane 15y ago
      If you research their ad system, there's a lot of easily findable stuff about how your friends names get involved, and how you're matched to the ads, not the other way around.
      - cph1 15y ago
        I know their ad system - I've used it myself. My point is that they may do other kinds of things without you knowing.
        tobylane 15y ago
        That's getting close to paranoia. EU law is enough to keep you safe, and Facebook follows such law, here's what they have to say https://www.facebook.com/policy.php https://www.facebook.com/policy.php
        cph1 15y ago
        > That's getting close to paranoia. Selling users' personal data to data mining and advertising companies is very common. It's not really paranoid to think that Facebook would do such a thing, considering that they call their users trusting dumb fucks and blatantly disregard their users' request for decent privacy. > EU law is enough to keep you safe Most of the times when an American Internet company have been challenged by EU law, the response from the company has been, "We're an American company, and our users uploaded their data to our servers which are placed in America." Then there's not much EU can do.