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Ask HN: Doom Emacs vs. Neovim or Vim?

3 points by Takizawamura 6y ago

I have been coding Python primarily in Visual Studio Code with Vim key bindings. I just installed Arch Linux and I'd like to experiment with my options. Any thoughts on Doom Emacs vs Neovim or Vim?

gjvc 6y ago
https://github.com/seagle0128/.emacs.d#centaur-emacs https://github.com/seagle0128/.emacs.d#centaur-emacs
- tra3 6y ago
  That's cool. I wonder if there's some parallel between various Emacs distributions and Linux distributions. Does vi world have something similar? In a roundabout way, do the various distributions (of linux and emacs) indicate that they are more flexible pieces of software than single-version software projects?
alpaca128 6y ago
As a rather biased (Neo)Vim user there's no alternative for me. Tried Emacs a couple times and I get why people like it, but I find it too bloated and convoluted - having builtin features ranging from web browsers up to chatbots and video games is a cool gimmick but probably not relevant for 80% of the userbase, and just makes everything more complicated (and slower) than necessary. In the end it's a personal choice and both programs are excellent - try both extensively and see what works best for you.
RMPR 6y ago
I've used Spacemacs then Doom Emacs then Vim and now Neovim. Tbh just experiment and choose what suits you. I spent too much time looking for the "best editor" but, spoiler alert there's not such thing. I've seen people make awesome things with either Vim or Emacs. Just experiment, choose one, stick to it (at least try to master it) and don't get too religious about it.
jimmyvalmer 6y ago
People who ask point-blank questions whose answers are as varied and voluminous as the gigabytes of readily googleable prose exhausted on the subject are either high schoolers or programmers who seek quick, facile solutions. Emacs's free-wheeling complexity is decidedly not for these people.
- tra3 6y ago
  I agree with your sentiment in general. But. It's difficult to draw the line: when do you ask for a personal opinion vs a google search. I sort of ended up not talking to anyone. In any case, OP knows about Emacs and that there's Vim and Neovim, so some prior research has been done.
  - jimmyvalmer 6y ago
    > when do you ask for a personal opinion vs a google search Never, unless the "personal opinion" requested is for a private matter. Any broad, technical question such as OP's is always LMGTFY.
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speedgoose 6y ago
Just try each for a little while and decide. Personally I used vim and then vim keybindings on SublimeText, and now vim keybindings on VS Code. I prefer vs code but you may prefer vim.
approxim8ion 6y ago
Doom Emacs is more comparable to something like Spacevim rather than bare neovim/vim. Personally I use nvim with NErdtree for Python, but for Angular stuff I stick to VSCode because the Intellisense is incredibly useful.
mraza007 6y ago
Has anyone tried spacevim
lc9er 6y ago
I gave up on VSCode + vim bindings after several failed update cycles. VSCode would update, then VSCodeVim would get laggy or break altogether. I tried Space/Doom Emacs, and they were ok, but you end up living in this weird space where you have to learn both sets of bindings. I migrated to Neovim + CoC and have no regrets. CoC and Vim was problematic, but it works amazingly well in Neovim.
tmm84 6y ago
Considering you are working with Python here is my personal experience and of course YMMV. I use SpaceMacs as my daily driver (never had the want for doom emacs). And programming python was good. I had no "problems" to speak of and I could use emacs commands just fine when I didn't want to use vim-fu. Vim/Neovim -> I have used both and they worked just as good as emacs when I had the plugins setup to my liking. I found SpaceVim to be more of my style instead of the manual setup though. However, learn the varieties of vim (there's graphical and terminal versions as well as other differences). TLDR; emacs/vim -> time spent on learning the software and customizing it leads to productivity. If you were used to all the plugins and auto setup of VSCode and you really want to experiment with emacs/vim do it when you have free time and don't mind spending it.

3 points by Takizawamura 6y ago

I have been coding Python primarily in Visual Studio Code with Vim key bindings. I just installed Arch Linux and I'd like to experiment with my options. Any thoughts on Doom Emacs vs Neovim or Vim?

gjvc 6y ago

https://github.com/seagle0128/.emacs.d#centaur-emacs https://github.com/seagle0128/.emacs.d#centaur-emacs

tra3 6y ago
That's cool. I wonder if there's some parallel between various Emacs distributions and Linux distributions. Does vi world have something similar? In a roundabout way, do the various distributions (of linux and emacs) indicate that they are more flexible pieces of software than single-version software projects?

alpaca128 6y ago

As a rather biased (Neo)Vim user there's no alternative for me. Tried Emacs a couple times and I get why people like it, but I find it too bloated and convoluted - having builtin features ranging from web browsers up to chatbots and video games is a cool gimmick but probably not relevant for 80% of the userbase, and just makes everything more complicated (and slower) than necessary. In the end it's a personal choice and both programs are excellent - try both extensively and see what works best for you.

RMPR 6y ago

I've used Spacemacs then Doom Emacs then Vim and now Neovim. Tbh just experiment and choose what suits you. I spent too much time looking for the "best editor" but, spoiler alert there's not such thing. I've seen people make awesome things with either Vim or Emacs. Just experiment, choose one, stick to it (at least try to master it) and don't get too religious about it.

jimmyvalmer 6y ago

People who ask point-blank questions whose answers are as varied and voluminous as the gigabytes of readily googleable prose exhausted on the subject are either high schoolers or programmers who seek quick, facile solutions. Emacs's free-wheeling complexity is decidedly not for these people.

tra3 6y ago
I agree with your sentiment in general. But. It's difficult to draw the line: when do you ask for a personal opinion vs a google search. I sort of ended up not talking to anyone. In any case, OP knows about Emacs and that there's Vim and Neovim, so some prior research has been done.
- jimmyvalmer 6y ago
  > when do you ask for a personal opinion vs a google search Never, unless the "personal opinion" requested is for a private matter. Any broad, technical question such as OP's is always LMGTFY.

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speedgoose 6y ago

Just try each for a little while and decide. Personally I used vim and then vim keybindings on SublimeText, and now vim keybindings on VS Code. I prefer vs code but you may prefer vim.

approxim8ion 6y ago

Doom Emacs is more comparable to something like Spacevim rather than bare neovim/vim. Personally I use nvim with NErdtree for Python, but for Angular stuff I stick to VSCode because the Intellisense is incredibly useful.

mraza007 6y ago

Has anyone tried spacevim

lc9er 6y ago

I gave up on VSCode + vim bindings after several failed update cycles. VSCode would update, then VSCodeVim would get laggy or break altogether. I tried Space/Doom Emacs, and they were ok, but you end up living in this weird space where you have to learn both sets of bindings. I migrated to Neovim + CoC and have no regrets. CoC and Vim was problematic, but it works amazingly well in Neovim.

tmm84 6y ago

Considering you are working with Python here is my personal experience and of course YMMV. I use SpaceMacs as my daily driver (never had the want for doom emacs). And programming python was good. I had no "problems" to speak of and I could use emacs commands just fine when I didn't want to use vim-fu. Vim/Neovim -> I have used both and they worked just as good as emacs when I had the plugins setup to my liking. I found SpaceVim to be more of my style instead of the manual setup though. However, learn the varieties of vim (there's graphical and terminal versions as well as other differences). TLDR; emacs/vim -> time spent on learning the software and customizing it leads to productivity. If you were used to all the plugins and auto setup of VSCode and you really want to experiment with emacs/vim do it when you have free time and don't mind spending it.