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How good are these shoes exactly to justify all this effort and $220 price tag? You can get speciality shoes like Adidas Powerlift for maybe hundred bucks. Adi

by blfr 6y ago

How good are these shoes exactly to justify all this effort and $220 price tag? You can get speciality shoes like Adidas Powerlift for maybe hundred bucks. Adidas AG produces just 40,000 pairs of each Yeezy release, which are priced at $220 retail and sold through its Yeezy Supply website using a digital lottery. For $220 you can get a half decent pair of good-year welted shoes, no waiting, any size, any corpulence. For the resale price of these sneakers you can get shoes that will serve you for the rest of your life, you need 6-8 total, not multiple pairs a year. And you can clean them, too. You don't throw them away because you stepped off a train.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
>How good are these shoes exactly to justify all this effort and $220 price tag? How good is bitcoin or GME to justify X valuation? Anything can be of X value as long as enough people believe it has X value.
- blfr 6y ago
  Bitcoin allows people to make transactions online with no authority okaying them, donate to banned platforms and cancelled friends, order pharma grade drugs off the Internet, and it all works because of magic of mathematics... sure, it's used for speculation but it's also quite spectacular. The value of GME was in squeezing hedge funds which is a public good. More importantly though, OP actually wears them.
  - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
    You misunderstood, I didn't say those things have no value, I was making a paralel between the logic of their valuation and the logic of fashion accessories valuation. They're both worth as much as people are willing to believe they're worth, like most things on this planet that are non essential and not regulated.
    - ionwake 6y ago
      His question was rhetorical, he even then spent time answering your question. You should thank him and at a minimum learn to be polite if you're the type of person who misunderstands context.
      - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
        >at a minimum learn to be polite Excuse me?! Where was I being impolite? >His question was rhetorical, he even then spent time answering your question My original question was rhetorical and didn't need any explanation, as I answered it myself in the next sentence, thank you very much. >if you're the type of person who misunderstands context This personal attack is just needlessly snarky and adds no value to this discussion.
        ionwake 6y ago
        Sorry I caused offence I was trying to give feedback and sounded brash. On a slightly different topic (srsly) would there be a way of saying what I said without it sounding snarky? I was trying to be polite.
- Anon1096 6y ago
  The poster above is buying Yeezy's to wear them though. If you're buying shoes to wear them, then it's a different evaluation than if you're buying the shoes to later resell them. For someone trying to use the shoes, you have to compare the value proposition to other (non-asset) shoes on the market. And I suspect that Yeezy shoes at 220 dollars don't improve very much on 100 dollar shoes, but I've never worn any myself. edited to add: I have nothing against buying Yeezy's or any other premium product. If it makes you happy and you have the money, go for it! But in terms of pure utility over competitors, it's usually not very good.
chrisseaton 6y ago
> you can get shoes that will serve you for the rest of your life, you need 6-8 total, not multiple pairs a year I have never had a pair of running shoes that didn't structurally break down after around 600 km maximum. I don't do any unusual running and have tried multiple brands and price points over the years. I think they do just have a reasonable life-span. How are you having shoes that last a life-time? I have to replace mine three or four times a year.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  They’re probably talking about shoes that you only use to walk. My running shoes (ASICS GT 2000) last about 1,000km. But I’m not a heavy person.
  - throwanem 6y ago
    They're talking about dress shoes and boots which are constructed so that they can be resoled. They're right, too. It's not hard to get a decade or more of good use out of footwear built this way; I've already done it with one pair of boots, and I'm about four years into the ones I got to replace those. I'm not overly gentle with them, either - I don't do urbex any more, but when I did, I did it in the same boots I do everything else in. They'd get scuffed, sure, but cleaned and polished, you'd never know the difference. I don't know that I'd want to use a pair of well-broken-in 9-hole loggers as running wear, but I don't know that I wouldn't, either; a well-designed shoe or boot can take all kinds of insoles, and while I rarely run unless chased, I'm sure there's a wide range of options available for those who do. And when they wear out, you can replace them, just like you can have a cobbler do with the sole proper when that eventually gets thin. I guess I don't really know; as I said, I'm not a runner, and maybe there's something about disposable footwear that I'm consequently missing. But it's not like we throw out a whole car when the tires get bald, you know?
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      A running shoe isn't really anything more than the sole. The foam in the sole simply mechanically breaks down over time and doesn't do its job anymore, and is also literally worn away so will be non-existent at some point. If you tried to re-sole it you'd be replacing 90% of the material. It's the same with work boots. At some point scuffing will have removed so much material from the upper that the boot mechanically fails. You just can't fix that as far as I know. You can replace the upper... but let's be honest it's a new boot at this point isn't it? I think there's a degree here of people replacing their broom head and handle many times and claiming they never need to buy a new broom.
1996 6y ago
> How good are these shoes exactly to justify all this effort and $220 price tag? The same question would apply to those spending over $220 on mechanical keyboards: these keyboards are good, but not k times better than the keyboard that come with your laptop. Yet people buy them: there's certainly a fashion effect, but they must also be at least a bit good, or good enough to justify the pricetag and effort to buy them. If you have disposable income, you care about comfort. I haven't heard of your "good year welted shoes" and a google search returns something horrible looking (unless you are over 60 or have to wear a suit maybe?) The yeezys look good to me, and I've heard a lot of people praise their comfort. Will they be better than the $150 limited ed sneakers I currently wear? That's all I care about about! > For the resale price of these sneakers you can get shoes that will serve you for the rest of your life I never understood that approach. $220, $500 ... it's just a price. I'm likely to make another $220 in the rest of my life :) So if they looks good, feel better, and I can afford them, why the hell not?
- tartoran 6y ago
  $200 is nothing compared to the $4000 Happy Hacking Keyboard By PFU Ltd of Japan
rdtwo 6y ago
You can’t buy any for 220 except ugly colors. The breds I sold for 400 on the secondary market.

by blfr 6y ago

ChuckNorris89 6y ago

>How good are these shoes exactly to justify all this effort and $220 price tag? How good is bitcoin or GME to justify X valuation? Anything can be of X value as long as enough people believe it has X value.

blfr 6y ago
Bitcoin allows people to make transactions online with no authority okaying them, donate to banned platforms and cancelled friends, order pharma grade drugs off the Internet, and it all works because of magic of mathematics... sure, it's used for speculation but it's also quite spectacular. The value of GME was in squeezing hedge funds which is a public good. More importantly though, OP actually wears them.
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  You misunderstood, I didn't say those things have no value, I was making a paralel between the logic of their valuation and the logic of fashion accessories valuation. They're both worth as much as people are willing to believe they're worth, like most things on this planet that are non essential and not regulated.
  - ionwake 6y ago
    His question was rhetorical, he even then spent time answering your question. You should thank him and at a minimum learn to be polite if you're the type of person who misunderstands context.
    - ChuckNorris89 6y ago
      >at a minimum learn to be polite Excuse me?! Where was I being impolite? >His question was rhetorical, he even then spent time answering your question My original question was rhetorical and didn't need any explanation, as I answered it myself in the next sentence, thank you very much. >if you're the type of person who misunderstands context This personal attack is just needlessly snarky and adds no value to this discussion.
      - ionwake 6y ago
        Sorry I caused offence I was trying to give feedback and sounded brash. On a slightly different topic (srsly) would there be a way of saying what I said without it sounding snarky? I was trying to be polite.
Anon1096 6y ago
The poster above is buying Yeezy's to wear them though. If you're buying shoes to wear them, then it's a different evaluation than if you're buying the shoes to later resell them. For someone trying to use the shoes, you have to compare the value proposition to other (non-asset) shoes on the market. And I suspect that Yeezy shoes at 220 dollars don't improve very much on 100 dollar shoes, but I've never worn any myself. edited to add: I have nothing against buying Yeezy's or any other premium product. If it makes you happy and you have the money, go for it! But in terms of pure utility over competitors, it's usually not very good.

chrisseaton 6y ago

> you can get shoes that will serve you for the rest of your life, you need 6-8 total, not multiple pairs a year I have never had a pair of running shoes that didn't structurally break down after around 600 km maximum. I don't do any unusual running and have tried multiple brands and price points over the years. I think they do just have a reasonable life-span. How are you having shoes that last a life-time? I have to replace mine three or four times a year.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
They’re probably talking about shoes that you only use to walk. My running shoes (ASICS GT 2000) last about 1,000km. But I’m not a heavy person.
- throwanem 6y ago
  They're talking about dress shoes and boots which are constructed so that they can be resoled. They're right, too. It's not hard to get a decade or more of good use out of footwear built this way; I've already done it with one pair of boots, and I'm about four years into the ones I got to replace those. I'm not overly gentle with them, either - I don't do urbex any more, but when I did, I did it in the same boots I do everything else in. They'd get scuffed, sure, but cleaned and polished, you'd never know the difference. I don't know that I'd want to use a pair of well-broken-in 9-hole loggers as running wear, but I don't know that I wouldn't, either; a well-designed shoe or boot can take all kinds of insoles, and while I rarely run unless chased, I'm sure there's a wide range of options available for those who do. And when they wear out, you can replace them, just like you can have a cobbler do with the sole proper when that eventually gets thin. I guess I don't really know; as I said, I'm not a runner, and maybe there's something about disposable footwear that I'm consequently missing. But it's not like we throw out a whole car when the tires get bald, you know?
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    A running shoe isn't really anything more than the sole. The foam in the sole simply mechanically breaks down over time and doesn't do its job anymore, and is also literally worn away so will be non-existent at some point. If you tried to re-sole it you'd be replacing 90% of the material. It's the same with work boots. At some point scuffing will have removed so much material from the upper that the boot mechanically fails. You just can't fix that as far as I know. You can replace the upper... but let's be honest it's a new boot at this point isn't it? I think there's a degree here of people replacing their broom head and handle many times and claiming they never need to buy a new broom.

1996 6y ago

> How good are these shoes exactly to justify all this effort and $220 price tag? The same question would apply to those spending over $220 on mechanical keyboards: these keyboards are good, but not k times better than the keyboard that come with your laptop. Yet people buy them: there's certainly a fashion effect, but they must also be at least a bit good, or good enough to justify the pricetag and effort to buy them. If you have disposable income, you care about comfort. I haven't heard of your "good year welted shoes" and a google search returns something horrible looking (unless you are over 60 or have to wear a suit maybe?) The yeezys look good to me, and I've heard a lot of people praise their comfort. Will they be better than the $150 limited ed sneakers I currently wear? That's all I care about about! > For the resale price of these sneakers you can get shoes that will serve you for the rest of your life I never understood that approach. $220, $500 ... it's just a price. I'm likely to make another $220 in the rest of my life :) So if they looks good, feel better, and I can afford them, why the hell not?

tartoran 6y ago
$200 is nothing compared to the $4000 Happy Hacking Keyboard By PFU Ltd of Japan

rdtwo 6y ago

You can’t buy any for 220 except ugly colors. The breds I sold for 400 on the secondary market.