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> I have a pretty dark outlook when it comes to global warming, but when you're a griddy customer and you're watching your meter constantly, it just made sense.

> I have a pretty dark outlook when it comes to global warming, but when you're a griddy customer and you're watching your meter constantly, it just made sense. Yes. However... During the deep freeze, the consumer utilities were bidding up the price of juice with money they did not actually have. Ordinary consumers should not be competing for electricity with buyers who are able to buy on margin. Now we know that this can happen. Now we have to plan an alternative.

quickthrower2 6y ago
Wait until r/wsb find a way to bet on this!
- fallingknife 6y ago
  Enron beat them to the game by like 20 years on this!
  - quickthrower2 6y ago
    But the power to mindlessly gamble must be democratised!
    - ocschwar 6y ago
      That's not actually what happened here. ERCOT was letting bids come in at crazy prices because at that point the only thing they were paying attention to was whether the Texas grid would collapse entirely. Volts and watts mattered. Dollars? A shared illusion anyway. Now, not only did Griddy put its users at risk of high bills with these prices, the utilities bankrupted themselves putting these bids in too. The wind farm operators could only laugh while they were getting these crazy bids for every watt from a turbine that wasn't iced up, because they knew they were getting paid with imaginary money, and they were operating the windmills because what the hell else could you do? The nat gas operators, well, they needed real money because they needed to buy gas at crazy prices, and the nat gas drillers needed money to get crews out to thaw out their infrastructure, which is extra important because we're talking about working outdoors in dangerous weather, and the crews are Texans that had not seen weather like this before. So TLDR, none of this makes any sense, and it will be settled in bankruptcy court.
- ocschwar 6y ago
  Thankfully, you cannot participate in a real time electricity market if you don't have millions of dollars of copper, steel and aluminum installed to generate or use it.

quickthrower2 6y ago

Wait until r/wsb find a way to bet on this!

fallingknife 6y ago
Enron beat them to the game by like 20 years on this!
- quickthrower2 6y ago
  But the power to mindlessly gamble must be democratised!
  - ocschwar 6y ago
    That's not actually what happened here. ERCOT was letting bids come in at crazy prices because at that point the only thing they were paying attention to was whether the Texas grid would collapse entirely. Volts and watts mattered. Dollars? A shared illusion anyway. Now, not only did Griddy put its users at risk of high bills with these prices, the utilities bankrupted themselves putting these bids in too. The wind farm operators could only laugh while they were getting these crazy bids for every watt from a turbine that wasn't iced up, because they knew they were getting paid with imaginary money, and they were operating the windmills because what the hell else could you do? The nat gas operators, well, they needed real money because they needed to buy gas at crazy prices, and the nat gas drillers needed money to get crews out to thaw out their infrastructure, which is extra important because we're talking about working outdoors in dangerous weather, and the crews are Texans that had not seen weather like this before. So TLDR, none of this makes any sense, and it will be settled in bankruptcy court.
ocschwar 6y ago
Thankfully, you cannot participate in a real time electricity market if you don't have millions of dollars of copper, steel and aluminum installed to generate or use it.