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The issue isnt that they did or didn't. The issue is that they can

UncleMeat 6y ago
Ok. By what mechanism could Google prevent themselves from ever being able to do this? The browser can be updated to do anything. It could start deleting hard drives tomorrow with a malicious update!
- eznzt 6y ago
  >By what mechanism could Google prevent themselves from ever being able to do this? The law.
  - gcbirzan 6y ago
    The law cannot prevent you from doing something, it can only punish you if you do it.
    - FigmentEngine 6y ago
      that is a nonsense statement. "doing something" = "do it" if you mean, cant stop you considering it, then thats fair, but then the point has no value?
      - gcbirzan 6y ago
        I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
        waheoo 6y ago
        What's difficult about this? The law prevents people from doing the wrong thing every day using the threat of jail time or worse. Claiming laws only punish actions taken so they can't be "preventitive" by preventing others from taking those actions is either naive or just plain intellectually dishonest.
        chaps 6y ago
        The US is a country that has laws inaccessible to the public with no way of knowing whether you're breaking those laws. It's either naive or just plain intellectually dishonest to think that these laws exist as a preventative measure.
        spicybright 6y ago
        But one can break a law and get away with it. It's selectively enforced.
  - UncleMeat 6y ago
    But the claim I was responding to was that it does not matter whether Google is doing this now, what matters is that they can do it. A law which imposes penalties on what you can do rather than what you are doing seems fraught.
  - efreak 6y ago
    > >By what mechanism could Google prevent themselves from ever being able to do this? > The law. I'd really rather not see companies like Google (it any other, for that matter) making laws. Lobbying is bad enough.
- vagrantJin 6y ago
  To make an analogy, most places ban entering with a weapon unless you are law enforcement on official duty. Not because any Joe that has a gun has killed someone with it. But the danger is that he/she can. Thats why guns are regulated. Information is not a harmless dingus. Its a weapon, just as the gun was in the last century. Do we need a war to discover this? The web is still a gunslinging wild west. We need regulation. EU is light years ahead in this regard and might just save us all from the tyranny of the Greay whom we trust to act in good faith - because they say they will. This strikes me as quite naive on our part.
  - emteycz 6y ago
    EU is light years ahead in propaganda, that's about it. It has its mouth full of GDPR while it's quietly preparing China-style firewall, tracked digital money and encryption ban.
  - UncleMeat 6y ago
    Can you be more specific? What technical thing can achieve the goal you want? No metaphors.
  - user101hk 6y ago
    SO you want Information need to be regulated? is that your point?
  - kapuasuite 6y ago
    >Information is not a harmless dingus. Its a weapon, just as the gun was in the last century. This is a silly analogy, what is Google doing or planning to do with this information that is dangerous, and how does that stack up against the potential benefits of Google and other tech companies collecting this type of data?
    - hollerith 6y ago
      >what is Google doing or planning to do with this information that is dangerous That is not the right question because if a rogue US administration, that is, an administration willing to defy US courts and the US Constitution wanted Google's data, there is probably nothing Google could do to stop them from getting it. (Such an administration could probably only get away with that during a time of national emergency, e.g., a war or a massive solar flare knocking out most of that nation's electricity for a month, but there are undemocratic elements in every country who are basically waiting for such national emergencies.) At least I've never heard of a plan, from Google or anyone else, that would allow Google to successfully thwart, e.g., a surprise raid by thousands of US law-enforcement officers. In other words, Google's data-collection practices are a menace (to US residents at least) even if we could be guaranteed that Google would never willingly use it in any bad way.
IX-103 6y ago
They can't without violating (or at least changing) their privacy policy. You and all your friends are welcome to each bring an arbitration case against them if they have been doing it or if they do it without you agreeing to an updated privacy policy. If they haven't, then you have nothing to complain about. If they change their privacy policies to allow it, then complain.

Ok. By what mechanism could Google prevent themselves from ever being able to do this? The browser can be updated to do anything. It could start deleting hard drives tomorrow with a malicious update!

eznzt 6y ago
>By what mechanism could Google prevent themselves from ever being able to do this? The law.
- gcbirzan 6y ago
  The law cannot prevent you from doing something, it can only punish you if you do it.
  - FigmentEngine 6y ago
    that is a nonsense statement. "doing something" = "do it" if you mean, cant stop you considering it, then thats fair, but then the point has no value?
    - gcbirzan 6y ago
      I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
      - waheoo 6y ago
        What's difficult about this? The law prevents people from doing the wrong thing every day using the threat of jail time or worse. Claiming laws only punish actions taken so they can't be "preventitive" by preventing others from taking those actions is either naive or just plain intellectually dishonest.
        chaps 6y ago
        The US is a country that has laws inaccessible to the public with no way of knowing whether you're breaking those laws. It's either naive or just plain intellectually dishonest to think that these laws exist as a preventative measure.
        spicybright 6y ago
        But one can break a law and get away with it. It's selectively enforced.
- UncleMeat 6y ago
  But the claim I was responding to was that it does not matter whether Google is doing this now, what matters is that they can do it. A law which imposes penalties on what you can do rather than what you are doing seems fraught.
- efreak 6y ago
  > >By what mechanism could Google prevent themselves from ever being able to do this? > The law. I'd really rather not see companies like Google (it any other, for that matter) making laws. Lobbying is bad enough.
vagrantJin 6y ago
To make an analogy, most places ban entering with a weapon unless you are law enforcement on official duty. Not because any Joe that has a gun has killed someone with it. But the danger is that he/she can. Thats why guns are regulated. Information is not a harmless dingus. Its a weapon, just as the gun was in the last century. Do we need a war to discover this? The web is still a gunslinging wild west. We need regulation. EU is light years ahead in this regard and might just save us all from the tyranny of the Greay whom we trust to act in good faith - because they say they will. This strikes me as quite naive on our part.
- emteycz 6y ago
  EU is light years ahead in propaganda, that's about it. It has its mouth full of GDPR while it's quietly preparing China-style firewall, tracked digital money and encryption ban.
- UncleMeat 6y ago
  Can you be more specific? What technical thing can achieve the goal you want? No metaphors.
- user101hk 6y ago
  SO you want Information need to be regulated? is that your point?
- kapuasuite 6y ago
  >Information is not a harmless dingus. Its a weapon, just as the gun was in the last century. This is a silly analogy, what is Google doing or planning to do with this information that is dangerous, and how does that stack up against the potential benefits of Google and other tech companies collecting this type of data?
  - hollerith 6y ago
    >what is Google doing or planning to do with this information that is dangerous That is not the right question because if a rogue US administration, that is, an administration willing to defy US courts and the US Constitution wanted Google's data, there is probably nothing Google could do to stop them from getting it. (Such an administration could probably only get away with that during a time of national emergency, e.g., a war or a massive solar flare knocking out most of that nation's electricity for a month, but there are undemocratic elements in every country who are basically waiting for such national emergencies.) At least I've never heard of a plan, from Google or anyone else, that would allow Google to successfully thwart, e.g., a surprise raid by thousands of US law-enforcement officers. In other words, Google's data-collection practices are a menace (to US residents at least) even if we could be guaranteed that Google would never willingly use it in any bad way.

IX-103 6y ago

They can't without violating (or at least changing) their privacy policy. You and all your friends are welcome to each bring an arbitration case against them if they have been doing it or if they do it without you agreeing to an updated privacy policy. If they haven't, then you have nothing to complain about. If they change their privacy policies to allow it, then complain.