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I remember when SA and UAE wanted to build fabs in the middle east in their never ending effort to diversify away from oil. They soon realized they don’t have t
by hahahahe 6y ago
I remember when SA and UAE wanted to build fabs in the middle east in their never ending effort to diversify away from oil. They soon realized they don’t have the workforce without importing skilled labor. SA has one of the [hardest-to-motivate workforces] in the world.
- ampdepolymerase 6y agoThey are basically the counterexample for universal basic income.
- hahahahe 6y agoExactly. Contrast that with another oil rich country that did something: Norway.
- ampdepolymerase 6y agoNorway's scale of UBI is a lot less than the oil rich Arabic states' though. Those states may not have much civil liberties but material quality of life is undeniably not bad for most locals.
- Grustaf 6y agoNorway doesn't have UBI.
- jandrese 6y agoI don't think most proponents of UBI are suggesting we give people enough money to push them into the "rich asshole" level of wealth. But I do agree that UBI proponents have to come up with an argument against the "pay people just enough to do drugs and play videogames all day" example. Most of the population is not made of highly motivated self-starters, despite what every job posting looks for.
- solosoyokaze 6y ago> But I do agree that UBI proponents have to come up with an argument against the "pay people just enough to do drugs and play videogames all day" example. Most of the population is not made of highly motivated self-starters, despite what every job posting looks for. I support UBI and see no problem with people "slacking" all day. Like you say, society is not made up of highly motivated self-starters. Why force those people to work when automation will make it completely unnecessary?
- hahahahe 6y agoBecause they get bored and may do more harm than good. See affluenza.
- solosoyokaze 6y agoWell the often cited (and easy to believe) weed and video games wouldn't be causing any harm. In fact you could argue that being a "fan" would help support creators, even if just in spirit.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago> Why force those people to work when automation will make it completely unnecessary? Perhaps it will. It hasn't made it completely unnecessary yet, though. Somebody who can't work? I'm all for helping them. Someone who won't? Let them mooch off of someone that is not the taxpayer.
- solosoyokaze 6y agoI see giving people their freedom as being worth more than forcing them to work. Take automation as a given. It's been a trend for decades. No one consented to be born into a system where they are enslaved by capital holders. Consider that an artifact of bootstrapping humanity through the industrial revolution.
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- justnotworthit 6y ago> SA has one of the [hardest-to-motivate workforces] in the world. Why do you believe this?