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Does anybody use Oberon for any real-world project? Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic language / operating system. I'm just wondering.

auxym 6y ago
Not directly. But Nim took a lot of inspiration from Oberon/Modula for its type and module system.
dmitriid 6y ago
> OBERON.ORG project unites projects related to programming languages Oberon, Oberon-2, Active Oberon, Modula-2/3, Oberon-07 and Component Pascal (Blackbox Oberon). Which of the Oberons? :) They are all the same with subtle differences like one having three different types of loops, and the other only two and so on. In Russia there's a small but active group of academics who are trying to bring (force?) Blackbox as a teaching/learning environment to schools and universities.
- justin66 6y ago
  > In Russia there's a small but active group of academics who are trying to bring (force?) Blackbox as a teaching/learning environment to schools and universities. That's astonishing. The most recent English-language textbooks using Component Pascal are about 20 years old. Is there much newer stuff in Russian?
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    There are a few newer books using Component Pascal in their code or examples: - Modern Programming from Scratch, 2011: https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774402/ https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774402/ - Art of Algorithms, 2011: https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774388/ https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774388/ - Computational Processes: Translation Theory, Data Management, Petri Nets, 2015: http://www.libex.ru/detail/book742088.html http://www.libex.ru/detail/book742088.html - Software Development with Blackbox, 2018 (positioned as a textbook for universities): https://lanbook.com/catalog/informatika/razrabotka-programmnykh-prilozheniy-v-srede-blackbox/ https://lanbook.com/catalog/informatika/razrabotka-programmn... Other books are translations of the same bookss from 20 years ago you mentioned. But the Oberon community is quite alive in Russia, and even have their own conference: https://conf.oberon.org/ https://conf.oberon.org/ Granted, these are mostly academics and people working in various state-related companies. I can't even begin to relay how bureaucratic and pompous-sounding that conference page is. "3rd scientific-industrial conference on Oberon, education on quality problems in the digital technologies", "Scientific and industry coordinators", "Program Committee", everyone is "M. Sc. PhD. Prof. Prof. Emeritus, Russian Government Education Prize Laureat" and wants darn sure you know about it: https://conf.oberon.org/about https://conf.oberon.org/about
    - justin66 6y ago
      Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. Component Pascal doesn't strike me as a completely mad language to use, but Blackbox is just... old.
cfbsoftware 6y ago
The Astrobe Oberon for ARM Cortex-M compiler is used to develop software which controls the electronics that operates one of the largest pipe organs in the world: https://www.opustwoics.com/atlantic-city-midmer-losh https://www.opustwoics.com/atlantic-city-midmer-losh

auxym 6y ago

Not directly. But Nim took a lot of inspiration from Oberon/Modula for its type and module system.

dmitriid 6y ago

> OBERON.ORG project unites projects related to programming languages Oberon, Oberon-2, Active Oberon, Modula-2/3, Oberon-07 and Component Pascal (Blackbox Oberon). Which of the Oberons? :) They are all the same with subtle differences like one having three different types of loops, and the other only two and so on. In Russia there's a small but active group of academics who are trying to bring (force?) Blackbox as a teaching/learning environment to schools and universities.

justin66 6y ago
> In Russia there's a small but active group of academics who are trying to bring (force?) Blackbox as a teaching/learning environment to schools and universities. That's astonishing. The most recent English-language textbooks using Component Pascal are about 20 years old. Is there much newer stuff in Russian?
- dmitriid 6y ago
  There are a few newer books using Component Pascal in their code or examples: - Modern Programming from Scratch, 2011: https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774402/ https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774402/ - Art of Algorithms, 2011: https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774388/ https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774388/ - Computational Processes: Translation Theory, Data Management, Petri Nets, 2015: http://www.libex.ru/detail/book742088.html http://www.libex.ru/detail/book742088.html - Software Development with Blackbox, 2018 (positioned as a textbook for universities): https://lanbook.com/catalog/informatika/razrabotka-programmnykh-prilozheniy-v-srede-blackbox/ https://lanbook.com/catalog/informatika/razrabotka-programmn... Other books are translations of the same bookss from 20 years ago you mentioned. But the Oberon community is quite alive in Russia, and even have their own conference: https://conf.oberon.org/ https://conf.oberon.org/ Granted, these are mostly academics and people working in various state-related companies. I can't even begin to relay how bureaucratic and pompous-sounding that conference page is. "3rd scientific-industrial conference on Oberon, education on quality problems in the digital technologies", "Scientific and industry coordinators", "Program Committee", everyone is "M. Sc. PhD. Prof. Prof. Emeritus, Russian Government Education Prize Laureat" and wants darn sure you know about it: https://conf.oberon.org/about https://conf.oberon.org/about
  - justin66 6y ago
    Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. Component Pascal doesn't strike me as a completely mad language to use, but Blackbox is just... old.

cfbsoftware 6y ago

The Astrobe Oberon for ARM Cortex-M compiler is used to develop software which controls the electronics that operates one of the largest pipe organs in the world: https://www.opustwoics.com/atlantic-city-midmer-losh https://www.opustwoics.com/atlantic-city-midmer-losh