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I’m sure that’s how Google sees it, but it’s most definitely the users’ data. Google’s “company policy” is to be user hostile and leverage their monopolies for

I’m sure that’s how Google sees it, but it’s most definitely the users’ data. Google’s “company policy” is to be user hostile and leverage their monopolies for maximum anti-competitiveness.

prepend 6y ago
Good point, I was trying to state Google’s position. I want control over my data, the data I “own.” But practically speaking this is impossible and I assume that anything I interact with produces data that’s owned by someone else. So while I want to own my data, if I use Chrome then Google makes their own data from my behavior and it’s theirs, not mine. To stop this, I have to stop the data being transmitted. That’s hard, but not impossible. Once it leaves my control (laptop, computer, whatever) it’s no longer mine. That’s what I mean about it being so squishy. And there’s lots of scenarios trying to understand what’s right. If I take a picture of you in the grocery store, it’s not your data. It is certainly rude. It might violate privacy. But the data is mine even though you are the subject. If I am a private eye and follow you around noting everywhere you go, the data isn’t yours, the data is mine. This is why I think that laws need to define ownership and privacy and use. So we can better regulate as a society. I still want some control on data about me, even if I don’t own it. In the US the consumer lost almost every case and that’s why stuff like 1970’s Fair Credit Reporting Act [0] allows credit bureaus to collect information about people and do stuff with it even though many people don’t like it. Effectively merchants “sell” data on people to credit agencies who collate it, analyze it, and sell insight (eg, FICO scores) and all that data are owned by people who aren’t the subjects. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Reporting_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Reporting_Act
- solosoyokaze 6y ago
  I agree that once you give someone your data, it becomes "theirs" and they can do what they want with it (logistically speaking). Interestingly enough, the executable that runs Chrome is also data that the end user "owns" once they put it on their system. This is the argument for bypassing DRM. The system is setup to screw the consumer. Most people probably do consider the data they're giving to Google's cloud services to be theirs, most may even assume that Google isn't doing anything nefarious with it, or using access to build up anti-competitive moats. Sadly, most people probably won't care that much if they do find out the truth as the service and frictionless flow are more valuable that privacy.

prepend 6y ago

Good point, I was trying to state Google’s position. I want control over my data, the data I “own.” But practically speaking this is impossible and I assume that anything I interact with produces data that’s owned by someone else. So while I want to own my data, if I use Chrome then Google makes their own data from my behavior and it’s theirs, not mine. To stop this, I have to stop the data being transmitted. That’s hard, but not impossible. Once it leaves my control (laptop, computer, whatever) it’s no longer mine. That’s what I mean about it being so squishy. And there’s lots of scenarios trying to understand what’s right. If I take a picture of you in the grocery store, it’s not your data. It is certainly rude. It might violate privacy. But the data is mine even though you are the subject. If I am a private eye and follow you around noting everywhere you go, the data isn’t yours, the data is mine. This is why I think that laws need to define ownership and privacy and use. So we can better regulate as a society. I still want some control on data about me, even if I don’t own it. In the US the consumer lost almost every case and that’s why stuff like 1970’s Fair Credit Reporting Act [0] allows credit bureaus to collect information about people and do stuff with it even though many people don’t like it. Effectively merchants “sell” data on people to credit agencies who collate it, analyze it, and sell insight (eg, FICO scores) and all that data are owned by people who aren’t the subjects. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Reporting_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Reporting_Act

solosoyokaze 6y ago
I agree that once you give someone your data, it becomes "theirs" and they can do what they want with it (logistically speaking). Interestingly enough, the executable that runs Chrome is also data that the end user "owns" once they put it on their system. This is the argument for bypassing DRM. The system is setup to screw the consumer. Most people probably do consider the data they're giving to Google's cloud services to be theirs, most may even assume that Google isn't doing anything nefarious with it, or using access to build up anti-competitive moats. Sadly, most people probably won't care that much if they do find out the truth as the service and frictionless flow are more valuable that privacy.