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China and Japan have Sunday as the first day since the 4th and 8th century respectively: http://chartsbin.com/view/41671 http://chartsbin.com/view/41671. So pr

by yokaze 6y ago

China and Japan have Sunday as the first day since the 4th and 8th century respectively: http://chartsbin.com/view/41671 http://chartsbin.com/view/41671. So presumably, you come from a Europe-centric view: http://chartsbin.com/view/41671 http://chartsbin.com/view/41671

FooBarWidget 6y ago
China does? I'm Chinese and I'm pretty sure Chinese consider Monday to be the start.
- yokaze 6y ago
  Ah, sorry. Then I am misinformed. The locale "zh_CN" does give me Sunday as the first, which seems then misaligned with actual practice.
- Turing_Machine 6y ago
  Not according to: https://unicode-org.github.io/cldr-staging/charts/38/supplemental/territory_information.html https://unicode-org.github.io/cldr-staging/charts/38/supplem... Note that common usage and the official definition may well differ. Most Americans probably consider Monday the "first day of the week" as it is the first day in a standard work week. But officially, Sunday is the first day of the week.
  - rswail 6y ago
    Which is weird, because "god rested on the seventh day" and the Christian religion believes that to be Sunday, so it is the last day of the week. Why does the US think that the week starts on Sunday?
    - InfiniteRand 6y ago
      No, the 7th day from Genesis is Saturday, and Saturday was the proper day for the Sabbath before Jesus. Sunday became the holy day of rest in recognition of Jesus's resurrection on Easter. That's at least the standard Christian interpretation that I've heard. I've read some historians state that Christians started using Sunday as their Sabbath day in order to distinguish themselves more sharply from the Jews. There are some Christian denominations which use Saturday as their Sabbath day, such as Seventh-day Adventist Church, so using Saturday as the holy day is a minority practice among Christians but it's a significant minority.
gherkinnn 6y ago
The problem is that the US directs how much of my software is built.
- bartvk 6y ago
  Don't you just use localization features of your API for this? I'm an iOS developer, and whenever I print dates, I just ask the system to print it, according to the system its locale.
  - m_eiman 6y ago
    Many developers do not. Especially month views tend to be hardcoded.
em-bee 6y ago
historically europe also started the week on sunday as per christian tradition. i too grew up with the idea that the week starts on sunday. this change to starting the week on monday is therefore a recent development. same in china btw. days in china are numbered. monday is number 1, and sunday is 7. so while people may have the idea that the week starts on sunday (i don't know) the day numbering suggests that it actually starts on monday. same goes for europe. monday by law and sunday by tradition
- yokaze 6y ago
  > sunday is 7 My understanding is that all days except Sunday "week-day" (星期日) are numbered. Monday is (星期一) "week-one". So there is still some room for ambiguity left if you allow for counting from 0.
InfiniteRand 6y ago
Interesting context for this on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar#Week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar#Week

by yokaze 6y ago

FooBarWidget 6y ago

China does? I'm Chinese and I'm pretty sure Chinese consider Monday to be the start.

yokaze 6y ago
Ah, sorry. Then I am misinformed. The locale "zh_CN" does give me Sunday as the first, which seems then misaligned with actual practice.
Turing_Machine 6y ago
Not according to: https://unicode-org.github.io/cldr-staging/charts/38/supplemental/territory_information.html https://unicode-org.github.io/cldr-staging/charts/38/supplem... Note that common usage and the official definition may well differ. Most Americans probably consider Monday the "first day of the week" as it is the first day in a standard work week. But officially, Sunday is the first day of the week.
- rswail 6y ago
  Which is weird, because "god rested on the seventh day" and the Christian religion believes that to be Sunday, so it is the last day of the week. Why does the US think that the week starts on Sunday?
  - InfiniteRand 6y ago
    No, the 7th day from Genesis is Saturday, and Saturday was the proper day for the Sabbath before Jesus. Sunday became the holy day of rest in recognition of Jesus's resurrection on Easter. That's at least the standard Christian interpretation that I've heard. I've read some historians state that Christians started using Sunday as their Sabbath day in order to distinguish themselves more sharply from the Jews. There are some Christian denominations which use Saturday as their Sabbath day, such as Seventh-day Adventist Church, so using Saturday as the holy day is a minority practice among Christians but it's a significant minority.

gherkinnn 6y ago

The problem is that the US directs how much of my software is built.

bartvk 6y ago
Don't you just use localization features of your API for this? I'm an iOS developer, and whenever I print dates, I just ask the system to print it, according to the system its locale.
- m_eiman 6y ago
  Many developers do not. Especially month views tend to be hardcoded.

em-bee 6y ago

historically europe also started the week on sunday as per christian tradition. i too grew up with the idea that the week starts on sunday. this change to starting the week on monday is therefore a recent development. same in china btw. days in china are numbered. monday is number 1, and sunday is 7. so while people may have the idea that the week starts on sunday (i don't know) the day numbering suggests that it actually starts on monday. same goes for europe. monday by law and sunday by tradition

yokaze 6y ago
> sunday is 7 My understanding is that all days except Sunday "week-day" (星期日) are numbered. Monday is (星期一) "week-one". So there is still some room for ambiguity left if you allow for counting from 0.

InfiniteRand 6y ago

Interesting context for this on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar#Week https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar#Week