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At this point I don't really know how to respond other than, again, everyone else is on the same page here.

SilasX 6y ago
All such people are so blinded by the outrage they can't take a few seconds to make clear what they're actually outraged about in way that can convince others to join them? Yeah, sounds about right.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  You don't need to make things clear if everyone already knows what everyone else is talking about. After an explanation that you clearly understood, I'm not sure why you're still complaining about conversational opacity.
  - SilasX 6y ago
    No, I didn’t get any coherent explanation of what the OP was objecting to, after offering charitable interpretations that were rejected. Edit: I did get some completely separate, independent arguments, if that’s what you mean, but I’m saying I got no explanation of the original comment.
    - wizzwizz4 6y ago
      The original comment (at least, I think I went far enough up-thread) said that teaching somebody how to vote and to vote in your favour, when you have power over them, is sleazy.
      - SilasX 6y ago
        This is the original comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263369 There were others that gave different reasons, but none that made any sense of the "OMG six pages of instructions! Horrible!"
        wizzwizz4 6y ago
        Maybe you didn't understand because you're focusing on a bit that the original comment didn't emphasise. The complaint is not about six pages of instructions. The complaint is about combining education with manipulation. Imagine a handy guide from your bank that included instructions for how to wire money to its author.
        SilasX 6y ago
        Yes, I suggested that as a meaning of what the OP meant, very early on, and it was rejected. Second paragraph of response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26265969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26265969
        wizzwizz4 6y ago
        Could you explain that comment of yours, please? I don't understand how it's saying what you claim it's saying.
        dang 6y ago
        Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26279550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26279550
        dang 6y ago
        Can you please stop? I know these tit-for-tat exchanges are hard to pull away from but they're exceptionally tedious, and not what HN is supposed to be for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- sidlls 6y ago
  Have you considered that you simply aren't understanding the reasons, which are quite clear and unambiguous to a relatively large population? That is, maybe the issue here is your difficulty understanding, rather than anybody else's ability to explain.
  - SilasX 6y ago
    Yeah, I did, that's why I asked the follow-up questions that zeroed in on what my confusion is. No one's resolved it. They gave different reasons it would be bad for Amazon to do this, but none that made any sense of OP's remark. At this point, much as I try to be charitable, I feel like I'm the only one making a serious effort to understand so no, I can't conclude the problem is on my end.
    - bhfasdhjgdgsuyv 6y ago
      You're certainly making an effort to be an obtuse loser.
      - dang 6y ago
        We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. Can you please not create accounts to do that with? We're trying for something different here. Also, could you please not create accounts for every few comments you post? We tend to ban those also. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=community%20identity%20by:dang&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=community%20identity%20by:dang...

All such people are so blinded by the outrage they can't take a few seconds to make clear what they're actually outraged about in way that can convince others to join them? Yeah, sounds about right.

wizzwizz4 6y ago
You don't need to make things clear if everyone already knows what everyone else is talking about. After an explanation that you clearly understood, I'm not sure why you're still complaining about conversational opacity.
- SilasX 6y ago
  No, I didn’t get any coherent explanation of what the OP was objecting to, after offering charitable interpretations that were rejected. Edit: I did get some completely separate, independent arguments, if that’s what you mean, but I’m saying I got no explanation of the original comment.
  - wizzwizz4 6y ago
    The original comment (at least, I think I went far enough up-thread) said that teaching somebody how to vote and to vote in your favour, when you have power over them, is sleazy.
    - SilasX 6y ago
      This is the original comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263369 There were others that gave different reasons, but none that made any sense of the "OMG six pages of instructions! Horrible!"
      - wizzwizz4 6y ago
        Maybe you didn't understand because you're focusing on a bit that the original comment didn't emphasise. The complaint is not about six pages of instructions. The complaint is about combining education with manipulation. Imagine a handy guide from your bank that included instructions for how to wire money to its author.
        SilasX 6y ago
        Yes, I suggested that as a meaning of what the OP meant, very early on, and it was rejected. Second paragraph of response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26265969 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26265969
        wizzwizz4 6y ago
        Could you explain that comment of yours, please? I don't understand how it's saying what you claim it's saying.
        dang 6y ago
        Please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26279550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26279550
        dang 6y ago
        Can you please stop? I know these tit-for-tat exchanges are hard to pull away from but they're exceptionally tedious, and not what HN is supposed to be for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
sidlls 6y ago
Have you considered that you simply aren't understanding the reasons, which are quite clear and unambiguous to a relatively large population? That is, maybe the issue here is your difficulty understanding, rather than anybody else's ability to explain.
- SilasX 6y ago
  Yeah, I did, that's why I asked the follow-up questions that zeroed in on what my confusion is. No one's resolved it. They gave different reasons it would be bad for Amazon to do this, but none that made any sense of OP's remark. At this point, much as I try to be charitable, I feel like I'm the only one making a serious effort to understand so no, I can't conclude the problem is on my end.
  - bhfasdhjgdgsuyv 6y ago
    You're certainly making an effort to be an obtuse loser.
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account for breaking the site guidelines. Can you please not create accounts to do that with? We're trying for something different here. Also, could you please not create accounts for every few comments you post? We tend to ban those also. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. You needn't use your real name, of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?query=community%20identity%20by:dang&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=community%20identity%20by:dang...