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As an alternative that still relies on REST instead of web sockets is intercooler.js. It's a nice little framework for annotating html to give it more power. T

by fayten 6y ago

As an alternative that still relies on REST instead of web sockets is intercooler.js. It's a nice little framework for annotating html to give it more power. This little library seemed to have some buzz at the time it was first released, but I haven't seen it brought up in years. I decided to look it up and Intercooler is still supported, but there is a successor now called htmx. I have not shipped anything with either, but I think they are both technologies worth taking a look at. It also looks like htmx is working on support for SSE and websockets. https://intercoolerjs.org https://intercoolerjs.org https://htmx.org https://htmx.org

qbasic_forever 6y ago
htmx is great, it's come up a few times on HN and has good commentary. There's a small set of web folks that look at all the ridiculous complexities of react, virtual DOM, etc. and nope right out back to good old server side rendering. htmx is perfect for primarily server rendered stuff. And ironically, now we see react going full circle back to investigate a server side approach with their recent react server component experiments.
- fayten 6y ago
  I fooled around with a Spark java, j2html, and Bulma css web app for a prototype back in 2017 (2018?) and it killed me how nice it was. The only tooling I needed was Intellij and the app started in milliseconds along with supporting hot reloading. Modern web development is a big reason, I left my job at the end of 2019 and went back to school. I'm tempted to try something with Javalin(a fork of Spark), j2html + htmx, and Tachyons css now. I think together those would make a beautiful stack. http://sparkjava.com http://sparkjava.com https://javalin.io https://javalin.io https://j2html.com https://j2html.com https://tachyons.io https://tachyons.io
  - qbasic_forever 6y ago
    Yep, and if you squint serverless stuff like AWS Lambda, knative, etc. is basically a slicker more modern take on plain old CGI scripts. I don't view that as a bad thing--the less friction there is between "here's a function/code block.. please run it on this web request" the better.

by fayten 6y ago

qbasic_forever 6y ago

htmx is great, it's come up a few times on HN and has good commentary. There's a small set of web folks that look at all the ridiculous complexities of react, virtual DOM, etc. and nope right out back to good old server side rendering. htmx is perfect for primarily server rendered stuff. And ironically, now we see react going full circle back to investigate a server side approach with their recent react server component experiments.

fayten 6y ago
I fooled around with a Spark java, j2html, and Bulma css web app for a prototype back in 2017 (2018?) and it killed me how nice it was. The only tooling I needed was Intellij and the app started in milliseconds along with supporting hot reloading. Modern web development is a big reason, I left my job at the end of 2019 and went back to school. I'm tempted to try something with Javalin(a fork of Spark), j2html + htmx, and Tachyons css now. I think together those would make a beautiful stack. http://sparkjava.com http://sparkjava.com https://javalin.io https://javalin.io https://j2html.com https://j2html.com https://tachyons.io https://tachyons.io
- qbasic_forever 6y ago
  Yep, and if you squint serverless stuff like AWS Lambda, knative, etc. is basically a slicker more modern take on plain old CGI scripts. I don't view that as a bad thing--the less friction there is between "here's a function/code block.. please run it on this web request" the better.