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The port design is intriguing. My concern is your main competition, at least from me, is against Lenovo. Their thinkpads don't offer the modularity of IO ports,

The port design is intriguing. My concern is your main competition, at least from me, is against Lenovo. Their thinkpads don't offer the modularity of IO ports, but instead simply offer "one of everything", with user-replacable SSD, HDD, and RAM modules, which is enough for most users. Swappable screens might be enough of a selling point, but, I'm holding out for the actual final specs. It doesn't look like it can fit a dedicated video card, so it's no competition for the Legion line, but it might stand up to the Thinkpad line.

GordonS 6y ago
Do any of the modern Thinkpads offer user-replaceable parts? Any time I see Thinkpads recommend on HN, it's for older, 2nd hand laptops. Also, do any of such Thinkpads approach the lightness, thinness and aesthetic of this laptop? Last time I looked at new Thinkpads, I seem to recall they were pretty chunky, with only the Ideapads being thin, light and nice to look at (it was a while ago, so I might have that wrong tho)
- freeone3000 6y ago
  The framework laptop is 16mm thick and 1.5kg. Those are the dimensions of a ThinkPad T480 and its successors. (As in, the framework laptop is not as thin or as light as you're assuming -- it's "standard" laptop size, not Ultrabook)
  - GordonS 6y ago
    According to the specs, this laptop is actually only 1.3kg and 15.8mm thick. As a couple of comparisons, the XPS 13 is 1.27kg and 14.8mm thick; the MBP 13 is 1.4kg and 1.56mm thick; the ThinkPad X1 Nano is 1.18kg and 13.87mm thick. Note you have to compromise with the X1 Nano, as it maxes out at only 16GB of RAM, and doesn't have great battery life. So this is lighter than an MBP, and basically the same thickness, all while being upgradable - you haven't convinced me that this isn't witchcraft ;)
- danhor 6y ago
  I'm really happy with both of these aspects on my Thinkpad T14. It has user replacable ram (one slot), wifi, nvme drive as well as a remaining free m2 slot, used for WAN on models with that. Lenovo also tells you the partnumbers of replacements and I've been able to find many of them for sale around the internet. It's approx. the same weight and a tad thicker and I (personally) like the design. It also has a 16 thread AMD cpu, which was pretty important to me.
  - GordonS 6y ago
    Just had a look - I don't think I would describe it as a pretty machine, more kind of "inoffensive" :) But it is 14", fairly light, and replaceable parts is nice. Looks like it maxes out at 16GB, which is a deal-breaker for me tho.
    - danhor 6y ago
      > more kind of "inoffensive" Fair, it's certainly not going for the eyecatcher look The 16 gb option refers only to the soldered ram, you can expand it with a 32gb stick to 48gb, I'm currently running it with 24gb (8 GB stick). I'd have liked two ram slots, but for my purposes even 16 GB is enough. (be aware, some online shops might do the update for you and sell one with two 8 gb sticks, but I'm not aware of Lenovo offering something like that)
      - GordonS 6y ago
        Ah, then I misunderstood, thanks for setting me straight!
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  Keyboard, SSD, one of two RAM sticks, WiFi card, and honestly basically everything else except one RAM and the CPU/GPU look replaceable on the T14 and P14s, with a publicly available manual to guide you: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t14_gen1_p14s_gen1_hmm_en.pdf https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t14_gen1_p14s... Comes with 2x USB-C, 2x USB-A, HDMI, Ethernet, 3.5mm headset jack, MicroSD. That said, the Lenovo online shop is a customer service disaster. Don't buy there. Misadvertised the smart card reader as a SD/MMC/... card reader, defrauds customers by advertising a "best price" policy that they then refuse to honor, 3 months to shipping with repeated delays, they play stupid games with their pricing (e.g. they jack up the price during week days by about 30% to milk business customers), zero flexibility (e.g. if the shipment is delayed because they're missing the removable RAM, they can't change the order to ship you a unit without the RAM, your only option would be to cancel and go to the end of the queue). Also, poor hardware support for the GPU and possibly Bluetooth under Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.

GordonS 6y ago

Do any of the modern Thinkpads offer user-replaceable parts? Any time I see Thinkpads recommend on HN, it's for older, 2nd hand laptops. Also, do any of such Thinkpads approach the lightness, thinness and aesthetic of this laptop? Last time I looked at new Thinkpads, I seem to recall they were pretty chunky, with only the Ideapads being thin, light and nice to look at (it was a while ago, so I might have that wrong tho)

freeone3000 6y ago
The framework laptop is 16mm thick and 1.5kg. Those are the dimensions of a ThinkPad T480 and its successors. (As in, the framework laptop is not as thin or as light as you're assuming -- it's "standard" laptop size, not Ultrabook)
- GordonS 6y ago
  According to the specs, this laptop is actually only 1.3kg and 15.8mm thick. As a couple of comparisons, the XPS 13 is 1.27kg and 14.8mm thick; the MBP 13 is 1.4kg and 1.56mm thick; the ThinkPad X1 Nano is 1.18kg and 13.87mm thick. Note you have to compromise with the X1 Nano, as it maxes out at only 16GB of RAM, and doesn't have great battery life. So this is lighter than an MBP, and basically the same thickness, all while being upgradable - you haven't convinced me that this isn't witchcraft ;)
danhor 6y ago
I'm really happy with both of these aspects on my Thinkpad T14. It has user replacable ram (one slot), wifi, nvme drive as well as a remaining free m2 slot, used for WAN on models with that. Lenovo also tells you the partnumbers of replacements and I've been able to find many of them for sale around the internet. It's approx. the same weight and a tad thicker and I (personally) like the design. It also has a 16 thread AMD cpu, which was pretty important to me.
- GordonS 6y ago
  Just had a look - I don't think I would describe it as a pretty machine, more kind of "inoffensive" :) But it is 14", fairly light, and replaceable parts is nice. Looks like it maxes out at 16GB, which is a deal-breaker for me tho.
  - danhor 6y ago
    > more kind of "inoffensive" Fair, it's certainly not going for the eyecatcher look The 16 gb option refers only to the soldered ram, you can expand it with a 32gb stick to 48gb, I'm currently running it with 24gb (8 GB stick). I'd have liked two ram slots, but for my purposes even 16 GB is enough. (be aware, some online shops might do the update for you and sell one with two 8 gb sticks, but I'm not aware of Lenovo offering something like that)
    - GordonS 6y ago
      Ah, then I misunderstood, thanks for setting me straight!
tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
Keyboard, SSD, one of two RAM sticks, WiFi card, and honestly basically everything else except one RAM and the CPU/GPU look replaceable on the T14 and P14s, with a publicly available manual to guide you: https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t14_gen1_p14s_gen1_hmm_en.pdf https://download.lenovo.com/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t14_gen1_p14s... Comes with 2x USB-C, 2x USB-A, HDMI, Ethernet, 3.5mm headset jack, MicroSD. That said, the Lenovo online shop is a customer service disaster. Don't buy there. Misadvertised the smart card reader as a SD/MMC/... card reader, defrauds customers by advertising a "best price" policy that they then refuse to honor, 3 months to shipping with repeated delays, they play stupid games with their pricing (e.g. they jack up the price during week days by about 30% to milk business customers), zero flexibility (e.g. if the shipment is delayed because they're missing the removable RAM, they can't change the order to ship you a unit without the RAM, your only option would be to cancel and go to the end of the queue). Also, poor hardware support for the GPU and possibly Bluetooth under Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.