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You have the right to do whatever you want to with your iPhone. Apple is not obligated to make it easy for you to do so, or honor their warranty if you choose t

by doteka 6y ago

You have the right to do whatever you want to with your iPhone. Apple is not obligated to make it easy for you to do so, or honor their warranty if you choose to fiddle with it. The law getting involved here would be total overreach, and I say this as someone who’s politically left, a total commie by US standards.

EvanAnderson 6y ago
The technical protections in a modern device are impossible, from a practical perspective, for an individual to defeat. For all practical purposes Apple has removed the rights of owners to do what they please with the devices they own. It's not that they didn't make it easy-- they made it completely impossible. I am not mature, informed, or articulate enough to argue about this objectively. I cannot conceive of how society benefits from taking away the rights of owners.
- doteka 6y ago
  I’m sorry to say, but your first paragraph is blatantly false. The jailbreaking community has been active since the iPhone product line existed, up to this day. Feel free to look it up. They provide instructions that a high school script kiddie is able to follow. I know because I was one of them. If you were not motivated enough to research the options available to you, you cannot in good faith argue that Apple did anything wrong here.
  - EvanAnderson 6y ago
    I'm well aware of jailbreaks. I've jailbroken a number of Apple devices and some consoles. In every "jailbreak" case, the manufacturer's intention was to make practically impossible owner control of devices. Jailbreaks are about exploiting bugs. The manufacturer's intention remains the same-- to remove owner control. Just because Apple made mistakes in their implementation of their architecture of control doesn't change their intention. re: impractical for individuals - Try un-blowing an e-fuse in a Nintendo Switch. That's practically impossible. That's the kind of protections I'm talking about.
- anigbrowl 6y ago
  But you can cooperate with others to figure out to defeat those protections, or not buy into the Apple ecosystem in the first place. I agree they make it very difficult to fully personalize their products and share your dislike, but to me this is like complaining about a case being glued shut or requiring a special driver to access.
  - grawprog 6y ago
    >but to me this is like complaining about a case being glued shut or requiring a special driver to access. Both of those are fairly valid complaints though. Intentionally making a device hard to access or repair is almost as bad as not allowing it at all. That shows an actual concerted effort to stop or make it as difficult for consumers as possible. That's basically the definition of anti-consumer practices. It in no way benefits me to not be able to use a standard screw driver to open something and have to either purchase an expensive proprietary tool or at worst take it to an 'authorized' repair shop that has the license to use the proprietary tool.
    - anigbrowl 6y ago
      OK, but that's when you make the decision not to buy it in the first place. I've managed to go my whole life without buying an Apple product because I always thought their products were kinda user-hostile and unfriendly to hacking/customization. On the other hand, I don't feel that Apple has any obligation to deliver the sort of product I want, when they have so many customers that actively prefer their walled garden/black box approach. Occasionally I find myself thinking I'd like to own an Apple product, eg when I run across a cool iPad app or something, but this rarely persists longer than the few minutes it takes me to remember that I don't want to reorient around the Apple ecosystem.

by doteka 6y ago

EvanAnderson 6y ago

The technical protections in a modern device are impossible, from a practical perspective, for an individual to defeat. For all practical purposes Apple has removed the rights of owners to do what they please with the devices they own. It's not that they didn't make it easy-- they made it completely impossible. I am not mature, informed, or articulate enough to argue about this objectively. I cannot conceive of how society benefits from taking away the rights of owners.

doteka 6y ago
I’m sorry to say, but your first paragraph is blatantly false. The jailbreaking community has been active since the iPhone product line existed, up to this day. Feel free to look it up. They provide instructions that a high school script kiddie is able to follow. I know because I was one of them. If you were not motivated enough to research the options available to you, you cannot in good faith argue that Apple did anything wrong here.
- EvanAnderson 6y ago
  I'm well aware of jailbreaks. I've jailbroken a number of Apple devices and some consoles. In every "jailbreak" case, the manufacturer's intention was to make practically impossible owner control of devices. Jailbreaks are about exploiting bugs. The manufacturer's intention remains the same-- to remove owner control. Just because Apple made mistakes in their implementation of their architecture of control doesn't change their intention. re: impractical for individuals - Try un-blowing an e-fuse in a Nintendo Switch. That's practically impossible. That's the kind of protections I'm talking about.
anigbrowl 6y ago
But you can cooperate with others to figure out to defeat those protections, or not buy into the Apple ecosystem in the first place. I agree they make it very difficult to fully personalize their products and share your dislike, but to me this is like complaining about a case being glued shut or requiring a special driver to access.
- grawprog 6y ago
  >but to me this is like complaining about a case being glued shut or requiring a special driver to access. Both of those are fairly valid complaints though. Intentionally making a device hard to access or repair is almost as bad as not allowing it at all. That shows an actual concerted effort to stop or make it as difficult for consumers as possible. That's basically the definition of anti-consumer practices. It in no way benefits me to not be able to use a standard screw driver to open something and have to either purchase an expensive proprietary tool or at worst take it to an 'authorized' repair shop that has the license to use the proprietary tool.
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
    OK, but that's when you make the decision not to buy it in the first place. I've managed to go my whole life without buying an Apple product because I always thought their products were kinda user-hostile and unfriendly to hacking/customization. On the other hand, I don't feel that Apple has any obligation to deliver the sort of product I want, when they have so many customers that actively prefer their walled garden/black box approach. Occasionally I find myself thinking I'd like to own an Apple product, eg when I run across a cool iPad app or something, but this rarely persists longer than the few minutes it takes me to remember that I don't want to reorient around the Apple ecosystem.