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All employers are making their case at all times, throughout hiring, with pay rate consistency or discrepancy, communication, management, and culture. Union vot

All employers are making their case at all times, throughout hiring, with pay rate consistency or discrepancy, communication, management, and culture. Union votes are an outcome of the case an employer has already made for themselves. Once the vote's on, it's going to be very difficult to refute the case they've been making for years. Taking ownership of the failures that led to the conditions which created support for the union vote in a substantial, committed, and convincing fashion is hard, but potentially an effective way for employers to change the direction of the case they've made to employees. Directly instructing employees to vote "no", lying about how unions work in their area, lying about the voting timeline, installing an easily surveillable special mailbox for union votes, and pressuring the government to alter traffic controls to prevent employees from being able to spend time outside the workplace during the union voting period - this is how Amazon has chosen to make their case.

duxup 6y ago
'lying about how unions work'. I've seen unions do the same. I was in a union where they promised to accomplish some things... didn't even try. Zero effort to do so, they simply chose not to. Amazon or any employer should still be able to make their case, even if they're wrong about some things ...
- TOGoS 6y ago
  > 'lying about how unions work'. I've seen unions do the same. I was in a union where they promised to accomplish some things... didn't even try. Zero effort to do so, they simply chose not to. Indeed, a lot of unions, especially the big, old ones in the US, have become lazy and more interested in making nice deals with management than with sticking up for the workers. That said, the experience the workers get from the process of unionizing in the first place can give them the confidence they need to realize that the union bureaucracy isn't doing everything it can, and to pressure it to be better (by things like wildcat strikes, as the teachers in Virginia did very successfully a few years ago). > Amazon or any employer should still be able to make their case, even if they're wrong about some things ... I recommend re-reading the post you're responding to, which addressed that the first time you said it.
- justin66 6y ago
  There's a world of difference between making their case and instructing their employees on how and where they should vote and surveilling them while they do it.

duxup 6y ago

'lying about how unions work'. I've seen unions do the same. I was in a union where they promised to accomplish some things... didn't even try. Zero effort to do so, they simply chose not to. Amazon or any employer should still be able to make their case, even if they're wrong about some things ...

TOGoS 6y ago
> 'lying about how unions work'. I've seen unions do the same. I was in a union where they promised to accomplish some things... didn't even try. Zero effort to do so, they simply chose not to. Indeed, a lot of unions, especially the big, old ones in the US, have become lazy and more interested in making nice deals with management than with sticking up for the workers. That said, the experience the workers get from the process of unionizing in the first place can give them the confidence they need to realize that the union bureaucracy isn't doing everything it can, and to pressure it to be better (by things like wildcat strikes, as the teachers in Virginia did very successfully a few years ago). > Amazon or any employer should still be able to make their case, even if they're wrong about some things ... I recommend re-reading the post you're responding to, which addressed that the first time you said it.
justin66 6y ago
There's a world of difference between making their case and instructing their employees on how and where they should vote and surveilling them while they do it.