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He is saying that your perspective as a Linode employee might not represent how others saw Digital Ocean at the time. Which for me is glaringly obvious from you

by jiofih 6y ago

He is saying that your perspective as a Linode employee might not represent how others saw Digital Ocean at the time. Which for me is glaringly obvious from your comments. EDIT: s/general public/others

yte14 6y ago
I wasn’t talking about the general public. I was talking about the incumbents. I said competitors, not customers, and that wasn’t a corrected typo. Edit: I responded to something that’s now been silently edited out and replaced with “others”.
- jiofih 6y ago
  I guess you may think of that in the same way the incumbents considered Amazon “another e-commerce play” or Google as “another search engine” while being blind to the real changes happening underneath.
- random5634 6y ago
  I've noticed that the folks who aren't so attentive to product / market fit and other items (customer ergonomics maybe?) tend not to really see what they are missing, what's different about the "other" guy that means they are in some ways cleaning up. I wonder if that describes linode a bit. Security: One issue early on for Linode was just abysmal security despite claims. Lots of denial and lack of transparency too which was even worse. For a biz focused offering that was just a no go. Even 8 year ago there was stuff with the bitcoin hacks? Do folks remember any of this? They might have been using cold fusion or something because they got hacked again I think just like a year later? These weren't just little corner case hacks / issues - but major with plenty of denial and obfuscation from linode. There was this hack here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845170 I'm sure I'm missing others (unsecured mysql databases etc?). --- Anyways, at least in my world linode was actually seen as the cheap/crappy offering even though they actually cost more which was weird. But I def told folks to stay away just because of the repeated lack of care around security. I had no idea DO was at 350M+ ARR - nice job by them - wow!
hobs 6y ago
Well a non-DO employee (and someone who ran things on linode and then on DO) I would say its a fair read and what the mindshare at the time was. Linode had decent service but honestly the irc channel was pretty toxic to noobs (one of the reasons I left!) and finding a "cheaper linode option" was great. That might have switched quickly, but it was definitely a thing.
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by jiofih 6y ago

yte14 6y ago

I wasn’t talking about the general public. I was talking about the incumbents. I said competitors, not customers, and that wasn’t a corrected typo. Edit: I responded to something that’s now been silently edited out and replaced with “others”.

jiofih 6y ago
I guess you may think of that in the same way the incumbents considered Amazon “another e-commerce play” or Google as “another search engine” while being blind to the real changes happening underneath.
random5634 6y ago
I've noticed that the folks who aren't so attentive to product / market fit and other items (customer ergonomics maybe?) tend not to really see what they are missing, what's different about the "other" guy that means they are in some ways cleaning up. I wonder if that describes linode a bit. Security: One issue early on for Linode was just abysmal security despite claims. Lots of denial and lack of transparency too which was even worse. For a biz focused offering that was just a no go. Even 8 year ago there was stuff with the bitcoin hacks? Do folks remember any of this? They might have been using cold fusion or something because they got hacked again I think just like a year later? These weren't just little corner case hacks / issues - but major with plenty of denial and obfuscation from linode. There was this hack here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845170 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10845170 I'm sure I'm missing others (unsecured mysql databases etc?). --- Anyways, at least in my world linode was actually seen as the cheap/crappy offering even though they actually cost more which was weird. But I def told folks to stay away just because of the repeated lack of care around security. I had no idea DO was at 350M+ ARR - nice job by them - wow!

hobs 6y ago

Well a non-DO employee (and someone who ran things on linode and then on DO) I would say its a fair read and what the mindshare at the time was. Linode had decent service but honestly the irc channel was pretty toxic to noobs (one of the reasons I left!) and finding a "cheaper linode option" was great. That might have switched quickly, but it was definitely a thing.

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