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> improved my quality of life Well, not having to work as much while being paid the same does that to you. No argument here. However, from a management point

> improved my quality of life Well, not having to work as much while being paid the same does that to you. No argument here. However, from a management point of view: nobody (and I mean nobody) can multi-task "work" tasks and "life" tasks at the same time. Inevitably "life" wins out, and of course productivity suffers. The only solution is preemptive multitasking instead of cooperative; forcing people to attend office space is just the gentlest form of preemption. Remote-only is possible, of course, but expect very ugly forms of preemption to take place: screen spying software, time tracking to the second, 24/7 on call duty, etc. Honestly, you'll prefer office work instead. Trust me.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
That's very antagonistic? Statistics show otherwise. WOH employees spend more time on task and produce more. Throwing around speculation and bias is unproductive. Just more FUD.
- otabdeveloper4 6y ago
  > Statistics show otherwise. WOH employees spend more time on task and produce more. Obviously not, or we'd be all be forced to work from home if it really saved businesses money.
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    No, obviously because of pre-conceived notions based on FUD, like my comments are responding to.
    - otabdeveloper4 6y ago
      I know you don't like your manager, but trust me: it's not true that 100% of managers on this planet are idiots running on preconceived notions and FUD. If work from home was profitable than some company out there would have made bank already. Work from home doesn't work because humans can't context-switch too well.
      - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
        Again, that argument is more FUD. It's predicated on 'if people were rational'. Consider this: I've written three comments trying to rebut an argument based on nothing but FUD. If people were rational, there would be references to studies or statistics to rebut, but no I have only tired lazy arguments to try and refute. To address that latest FUD, working from an office is worse in the interruption aspect. At home I can make draconian rules about when I'm interrupted. Not so in an office. WOF doesn't always work, but it can work and very effectively. Way more often than folks are willing to try it. And consider: this argument is from somebody who has worked from home for most of their career. How often have you tried it?
        otabdeveloper4 6y ago
        > It's predicated on 'if people were rational'. No, it's predicated on "at least one person is rational".
  - globular-toast 6y ago
    It's never really been put to the test, though. Most companies have been working in offices because they've always been working in offices. Prior to fast internet availability there was no other choice. It's a deep rooted part of culture and it usually takes a much longer time for these things to change even though it might make sense. In Australia they celebrate Christmas in Summer. That makes no sense, but it's not going to change any time soon. The pandemic has accelerated this change that probably wouldn't have happened for decades otherwise.
- ThrowawayR2 6y ago
  > "Statistics show otherwise." Which statistics? At least for my employer, it was reported that productivity dropped across the board and I certainly feel that's true for me personally.
jasonladuke0311 6y ago
Projecting a bit here? I’ve been remote for a couple of years and my productivity is at least 2x what it was in an office. Said office was fairly quiet, plus I take care of a child during the day at home, and I am still more effective than before.
m-p-3 6y ago
Not having to commute, and a boss that trust me and cares that I deliver my projects and tasks on time helps. I achieve the same amount of work, and can spend more time with my kids since I'm already at home when I'm done. I'd take remote-work any day.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

That's very antagonistic? Statistics show otherwise. WOH employees spend more time on task and produce more. Throwing around speculation and bias is unproductive. Just more FUD.

otabdeveloper4 6y ago
> Statistics show otherwise. WOH employees spend more time on task and produce more. Obviously not, or we'd be all be forced to work from home if it really saved businesses money.
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  No, obviously because of pre-conceived notions based on FUD, like my comments are responding to.
  - otabdeveloper4 6y ago
    I know you don't like your manager, but trust me: it's not true that 100% of managers on this planet are idiots running on preconceived notions and FUD. If work from home was profitable than some company out there would have made bank already. Work from home doesn't work because humans can't context-switch too well.
    - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
      Again, that argument is more FUD. It's predicated on 'if people were rational'. Consider this: I've written three comments trying to rebut an argument based on nothing but FUD. If people were rational, there would be references to studies or statistics to rebut, but no I have only tired lazy arguments to try and refute. To address that latest FUD, working from an office is worse in the interruption aspect. At home I can make draconian rules about when I'm interrupted. Not so in an office. WOF doesn't always work, but it can work and very effectively. Way more often than folks are willing to try it. And consider: this argument is from somebody who has worked from home for most of their career. How often have you tried it?
      - otabdeveloper4 6y ago
        > It's predicated on 'if people were rational'. No, it's predicated on "at least one person is rational".
- globular-toast 6y ago
  It's never really been put to the test, though. Most companies have been working in offices because they've always been working in offices. Prior to fast internet availability there was no other choice. It's a deep rooted part of culture and it usually takes a much longer time for these things to change even though it might make sense. In Australia they celebrate Christmas in Summer. That makes no sense, but it's not going to change any time soon. The pandemic has accelerated this change that probably wouldn't have happened for decades otherwise.
ThrowawayR2 6y ago
> "Statistics show otherwise." Which statistics? At least for my employer, it was reported that productivity dropped across the board and I certainly feel that's true for me personally.

jasonladuke0311 6y ago

Projecting a bit here? I’ve been remote for a couple of years and my productivity is at least 2x what it was in an office. Said office was fairly quiet, plus I take care of a child during the day at home, and I am still more effective than before.

m-p-3 6y ago

Not having to commute, and a boss that trust me and cares that I deliver my projects and tasks on time helps. I achieve the same amount of work, and can spend more time with my kids since I'm already at home when I'm done. I'd take remote-work any day.