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This is cool! I'll be looking into adding webmentions to Kalaksi.com my rss-based social network. It makes perfect sense and is very much aligned with the "open

This is cool! I'll be looking into adding webmentions to Kalaksi.com my rss-based social network. It makes perfect sense and is very much aligned with the "open web" I'm trying to help survive.

southerntofu 6y ago
That's super cool, please post the link on HN and other link aggregators when you do :)
- nunodonato 6y ago
  I did. Unfortunately, it didnt catch up :(
  - southerntofu 6y ago
    i followed link from your account and i don't understand, where's the source code? i really love the whole concept of news aggregation and reoutputting a new RSS feed so other users can subscribe to your feed(s) is great! how would you say it compares to hubzilla? (apart from not supporting many other protocols)
    - nunodonato 6y ago
      it isn't opensourced... at least not yet. Hubzilla is different. Kalaksi is still centralized, but the content is fully open and readable from anywhere (via RSS). So you can publish/curate, and your readers dont necessarily need to use kalaksi to access it.
      - southerntofu 6y ago
        Oh, that's really sad. If i may, why would you consider developing software that's not free software? Also, why would you develop software to provide services for other users, that they can't selfhost if/when you're not longer hosting the service? That sounds like serious footguns/antipatterns to me, so i'm curious what's your rationale :)
        nunodonato 6y ago
        Basically I'm not clear where to go with it (if I go anywhere :p), and perhaps offer paid accounts with more features (like hosting images, videos, etc). And yes, I know this is not mutually exclusive but I dont see the point of everyone installing their own kalaksi. Its not made as something you self host for your own content but as a central platform. If I ever abandon the project, for sure the code will go open, if not before :)
        southerntofu 6y ago
        > Basically I'm not clear where to go with it (if I go anywhere :p) Well that's part of the magic of free software. You may meet people with who to figure it out on the way ;) > I dont see the point of everyone installing their own kalaksi Have you ever lost an account/service due to a service provider shutting down? If so, you probably see the point. > Its not made as something you self host for your own content but as a central platform. Too bad, the world truly needs better planet/aggregator tooling. The existing tools have mostly not evolved over the past decade. > for sure the code will go open, if not before :) i'll keep an eye open! :)
rakoo 6y ago
Kalaksi is really cool, too bad it didn't catch up! I applaud your goal to make the open web thrive by using RSS. I see that you're even incorporating RSS-bridge, that's very cool ! Since you want to use the open web standards, you probably have heard of the indieweb movement. They have been working in this field, have standardized a bunch of protocols, among which webmention is only one (see https://indieweb.org/graphics#Illustrations_and_Sketch_Notes https://indieweb.org/graphics#Illustrations_and_Sketch_Notes) and are all about doing first. I think there's a lot more you can reuse from their work! Kalaksi could be a nice demonstration of what the openness could bring. In particular it seems Kalaksi could become a social reader (https://indieweb.org/social_reader https://indieweb.org/social_reader). This is exactly what we need to remove the importance that siloed private social networks. Small comment: it seems the planets don't have the <link rel="alternate"> in the header that allows the browser to detect the rss feed, so one can't use the page directly but has to copy-paste the link to be able to subscribe outside of Kalaksi
- nunodonato 6y ago
  Thanks will look into it. Rss bridge integration is already done,for now with twitter and youtube

This is cool! I'll be looking into adding webmentions to Kalaksi.com my rss-based social network. It makes perfect sense and is very much aligned with the "open web" I'm trying to help survive.

southerntofu 6y ago

That's super cool, please post the link on HN and other link aggregators when you do :)

nunodonato 6y ago
I did. Unfortunately, it didnt catch up :(
- southerntofu 6y ago
  i followed link from your account and i don't understand, where's the source code? i really love the whole concept of news aggregation and reoutputting a new RSS feed so other users can subscribe to your feed(s) is great! how would you say it compares to hubzilla? (apart from not supporting many other protocols)
  - nunodonato 6y ago
    it isn't opensourced... at least not yet. Hubzilla is different. Kalaksi is still centralized, but the content is fully open and readable from anywhere (via RSS). So you can publish/curate, and your readers dont necessarily need to use kalaksi to access it.
    - southerntofu 6y ago
      Oh, that's really sad. If i may, why would you consider developing software that's not free software? Also, why would you develop software to provide services for other users, that they can't selfhost if/when you're not longer hosting the service? That sounds like serious footguns/antipatterns to me, so i'm curious what's your rationale :)
      - nunodonato 6y ago
        Basically I'm not clear where to go with it (if I go anywhere :p), and perhaps offer paid accounts with more features (like hosting images, videos, etc). And yes, I know this is not mutually exclusive but I dont see the point of everyone installing their own kalaksi. Its not made as something you self host for your own content but as a central platform. If I ever abandon the project, for sure the code will go open, if not before :)
        southerntofu 6y ago
        > Basically I'm not clear where to go with it (if I go anywhere :p) Well that's part of the magic of free software. You may meet people with who to figure it out on the way ;) > I dont see the point of everyone installing their own kalaksi Have you ever lost an account/service due to a service provider shutting down? If so, you probably see the point. > Its not made as something you self host for your own content but as a central platform. Too bad, the world truly needs better planet/aggregator tooling. The existing tools have mostly not evolved over the past decade. > for sure the code will go open, if not before :) i'll keep an eye open! :)

rakoo 6y ago

Kalaksi is really cool, too bad it didn't catch up! I applaud your goal to make the open web thrive by using RSS. I see that you're even incorporating RSS-bridge, that's very cool ! Since you want to use the open web standards, you probably have heard of the indieweb movement. They have been working in this field, have standardized a bunch of protocols, among which webmention is only one (see https://indieweb.org/graphics#Illustrations_and_Sketch_Notes https://indieweb.org/graphics#Illustrations_and_Sketch_Notes) and are all about doing first. I think there's a lot more you can reuse from their work! Kalaksi could be a nice demonstration of what the openness could bring. In particular it seems Kalaksi could become a social reader (https://indieweb.org/social_reader https://indieweb.org/social_reader). This is exactly what we need to remove the importance that siloed private social networks. Small comment: it seems the planets don't have the <link rel="alternate"> in the header that allows the browser to detect the rss feed, so one can't use the page directly but has to copy-paste the link to be able to subscribe outside of Kalaksi

nunodonato 6y ago
Thanks will look into it. Rss bridge integration is already done,for now with twitter and youtube