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This comment on reddit has me in a very gloomy mood for the last 24 hours https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/lqqfgv/freshwater_fish_are_in_catastrophic

This comment on reddit has me in a very gloomy mood for the last 24 hours https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/lqqfgv/freshwater_fish_are_in_catastrophic_decline_with/goim0yu/ https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/lqqfgv/freshwate...

refurb 6y ago
We were supposed to have an ice-free artic year around by now, but here we are. Not sure I’d put much weight on the worst case scenarios. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-collapse-sea-ice https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-c...
- Oletros 6y ago
  Are you aware that he is talking about summer?
  - refurb 6y ago
    Yes, and his prediction was still incredibly wrong.
    - Oletros 6y ago
      And it was not an scientific paper
      - refurb 6y ago
        It was a climate scientist from Iceland making the prediction. Not my next door neighbor who fixes cars.
- mstipetic 6y ago
  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-tanker-cuts-a-previously-impossible-path-through-the-warming-arctic/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-tanker-cuts-a-previousl... I don't understand what is it about climate science that everyone seems to think they're qualified enough to have strong opinions on. I don't see random people commenting on the intricacies of CPU design, battery design, petrochemical processes or any other high-tech endeavor, but with climate everybody's a f*cking expert.
  - refurb 6y ago
    Your link is about a new route through ice. Not relevant to an ice free arctic.
    - Oletros 6y ago
      And your article is about ice free summers. But I think you didn't even read the article you linked
      - refurb 6y ago
        Of course. We haven’t had an ice free summer. That’s my point?
        Oletros 6y ago
        Your point is using mainline media headlines as scientific predictions?
- solarengineer 6y ago
  "We were supposed to have an ice-free artic year around by now, but here we are. Not sure I’d put much weight on the worst case scenarios." I hadn't heard of an estimate of being ice-free by 2020-21. Per this recent National Geographic source, it is likely to happen as early as 2035. [0] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/arctic-summer-sea-ice-could-be-gone-by-2035 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/arctic-su...
- helloworld11 6y ago
  This article is indeed amusing. Since his predictions, average sea ice extent in the arctic has been higher than in 2012 (when the artice was written) for every year since. The long term standardized coverage of ice is sloping gently downwards and that's an issue to worry about, yes, but the scientific prediction referenced here by the Guardian shows just how easy it is to be misled by dramatic statements even from scientists about the next X years, who know that in X years few will remember what they had claimed while it helped boost their names initially. Yes, scientists are self-promoting human beings just like anyone. That aside, many of the other comments here, filled with deep existential dread about our future world, are straying into the manic given how terrible humans are at predicting anything at all over the long term. There are far too many unknown unknowns for us to be sure of any aspect of catastrophe for 2100 or even for earlier years. Never mind years beyond 2100. It should serve as very serious food for thought just how much reactions to COVID by public officials, scientists and the media as well were bungled, confused and fraught with false claims (notable examples: masks don't work, the virus has a 1-3% mortality rate) in just a single year because of science and politics mixing heavily in a media charged atmosphere. Yet somehow, the far, far more complex theme of global climate patterns over decades combined with human trends during the next 70 years, is taken as a near given of planetary catastrophe to the point where many of you are firmly convinced that having children now is barely a step below slow murder...
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refurb 6y ago

We were supposed to have an ice-free artic year around by now, but here we are. Not sure I’d put much weight on the worst case scenarios. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-collapse-sea-ice https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-c...

Oletros 6y ago
Are you aware that he is talking about summer?
- refurb 6y ago
  Yes, and his prediction was still incredibly wrong.
  - Oletros 6y ago
    And it was not an scientific paper
    - refurb 6y ago
      It was a climate scientist from Iceland making the prediction. Not my next door neighbor who fixes cars.
mstipetic 6y ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-tanker-cuts-a-previously-impossible-path-through-the-warming-arctic/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-tanker-cuts-a-previousl... I don't understand what is it about climate science that everyone seems to think they're qualified enough to have strong opinions on. I don't see random people commenting on the intricacies of CPU design, battery design, petrochemical processes or any other high-tech endeavor, but with climate everybody's a f*cking expert.
- refurb 6y ago
  Your link is about a new route through ice. Not relevant to an ice free arctic.
  - Oletros 6y ago
    And your article is about ice free summers. But I think you didn't even read the article you linked
    - refurb 6y ago
      Of course. We haven’t had an ice free summer. That’s my point?
      - Oletros 6y ago
        Your point is using mainline media headlines as scientific predictions?
solarengineer 6y ago
"We were supposed to have an ice-free artic year around by now, but here we are. Not sure I’d put much weight on the worst case scenarios." I hadn't heard of an estimate of being ice-free by 2020-21. Per this recent National Geographic source, it is likely to happen as early as 2035. [0] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/arctic-summer-sea-ice-could-be-gone-by-2035 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/arctic-su...
helloworld11 6y ago
This article is indeed amusing. Since his predictions, average sea ice extent in the arctic has been higher than in 2012 (when the artice was written) for every year since. The long term standardized coverage of ice is sloping gently downwards and that's an issue to worry about, yes, but the scientific prediction referenced here by the Guardian shows just how easy it is to be misled by dramatic statements even from scientists about the next X years, who know that in X years few will remember what they had claimed while it helped boost their names initially. Yes, scientists are self-promoting human beings just like anyone. That aside, many of the other comments here, filled with deep existential dread about our future world, are straying into the manic given how terrible humans are at predicting anything at all over the long term. There are far too many unknown unknowns for us to be sure of any aspect of catastrophe for 2100 or even for earlier years. Never mind years beyond 2100. It should serve as very serious food for thought just how much reactions to COVID by public officials, scientists and the media as well were bungled, confused and fraught with false claims (notable examples: masks don't work, the virus has a 1-3% mortality rate) in just a single year because of science and politics mixing heavily in a media charged atmosphere. Yet somehow, the far, far more complex theme of global climate patterns over decades combined with human trends during the next 70 years, is taken as a near given of planetary catastrophe to the point where many of you are firmly convinced that having children now is barely a step below slow murder...

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