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Not sure why below comment is dead. The account seems ok and not hell banned. Was it flagged to death? If so, anyone who flagged it,why? dsplittgerber 24 minut

Not sure why below comment is dead. The account seems ok and not hell banned. Was it flagged to death? If so, anyone who flagged it,why? dsplittgerber 24 minutes ago | link [dead] Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? Instapaper built-into Safari now, all kinds of messanger apps killed by iMessage, some of those photo apps going down the drain as well, Reminders app is a huge one as well. All targeting really popular app categories. Sure, some people care about thing X being done supremely well and will still pay for some apps. But the huge majority will probably be really fine with Apples version.

matthew-wegner 15y ago
Compare LockInfo (commercial jailbroken app): http://cdn.techhail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/LockInfo-Customize-Jailbroken-iPhone-Lockscreen-With-Messages-Calendar-and-Push-Notifications.jpg http://cdn.techhail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/LockInfo-... With the new notifications: http://photos.macrumorslive.com/p/2011-06-06/f1307382511.jpg http://photos.macrumorslive.com/p/2011-06-06/f1307382511.jpg
- masklinn 15y ago
  I find the general look of the new notifications much closer to MobileNotifier, whose lead dev (Peter Hajas) was just hired by Apple. That's actually the fairest case by far, as they basically "bought" the project through its lead dev.
dsplittgerber 15y ago
I accidentally clicked twice and two identical comments were created. I deleted one. Alas, the other seems to have gone rougue as well.
- code_duck 15y ago
  This has happened to me before - I triple posted, then deleted two comments to find that the remaining one was marked dead. I think HN has duplicate detection and dupes get marked dead automatically, so one should keep this in mind when manually deleting duplicate posts. It's good to wait a few minutes and see whether it's already taken care of.
  - jokermatt999 15y ago
    I wonder if this is part of the reason there's a large number of [dead] comments that are perfectly reasonable. Either way, it seems like it would be a much better solution to simply delete the duplicate. If it can be detected to [dead] it, then it should be deletable, right?
  - shii 15y ago
    Also has happened to me. It's why I have showdead on.
  - RyanMcGreal 15y ago
    > I think HN has duplicate detection Seems like a great time for that to kick in is just before posting the second comment.
ansy 15y ago
This is par for the course with Apple. I remember back in the day there was this super popular shareware app called Aaron that gave System 7 users a System 8 looking theme. Keep in mind this was the dark ages of Apple. Aaron evolved into Kaleidoscope. A general purpose shareware theme manager that was met with enthusiasm by the Mac community. Kaleidoscope was synonymous with themes on Mac OS. http://www.kaleidoscope.net/What_is_Kaleidoscope.html http://www.kaleidoscope.net/What_is_Kaleidoscope.html By the time OS 8.5 rolled around Apple introduced Appearance Manager. Which was no more than a total rip off of Kaleidoscope. Apple engineers even wrote an internal utility that would convert Kaleidoscope themes into Appearance Manager themes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_Manager#Kaleidoscope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_Manager#Kaleidoscope The shareware author got zero credit. Zero money. He just got ripped off by Apple. In the end, though, Appearance Manager never took off. It was a combination of Kaleidoscope's momentum and the taint of Appearance Manager that kept theme authors from adopting it. EDIT: I also add the story of Konfabulator, written later by some of the same people that did Kaleidoscope. Konfabulator was also ripped off by Apple in the form of Dashboard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard_(software)#Comparison_with_Konfabulator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard_(software)#Comparison...
- recoiledsnake 15y ago
  Don't forget Readability, who's technology was leveraged in Safari but their iPhone app was killed by Apple because it couldn't cough up the 30% tithe on content purchases.
- bugsy 15y ago
  As a former registered user of Kaleidoscope, I have to say it destabilized your system because of the necessary system hacks. What you say about Apple stealing good designs is definitely true (http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/), but Kaleidoscope had other issues.
  - masklinn 15y ago
    > http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ That's not a case of Apple stealing good design though, that's a case of them buying an Audion competitor. I'm sure Marco would have been far happier if Apple had bought instapaper. Or TapTapTap if Apple had bought Camera+. Hell, that would have been rather cool, it could have given third-party developers an interesting incentive: build something Apple will want to integrate in their core OS, and they'll buy you wholesale.
iqster 15y ago
Yes ... I was surprised by this. They fired a salvo at a lot of companies! The music part of iCloud seems very similar to Google Music. I tried their Beta but was very unimpressed. Perhaps Apple will get it right. I'm not holding my breath though ... there is a lot of complexity (software and contactual) under the hood. I'll believe it when I see it. The photo parts of iCloud are awesome! I can't wait to use it on my next vacation. If I damage my phone/camera or fill up my SD card, this might be s useful feature. Data roaming charges will likely make this less useful for International trips but oh well. It seems this would hurt dropbox. The Twitter integration seems like an aggressive move against Facebook. Not sure how tight this integration will be for the average non-tech person.
tghw 15y ago
Something something pennies, something something steamroller...
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erikpukinskis 15y ago
Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? I know, it'll be like the great Safari massacre all over again, where Apple singlehandedly drove Firefox and Chrome to stop releasing Mac versions. Not to mention the Day When Email Apps' Blood Ran Like Water In The Streets, when everyone stopped using Exchange and Gmail because Apple released Mail.app. And don't even talk to me about what iChat did to Skype. I can't bear to think of it....
- randallsquared 15y ago
  Cherrypick, much? :) It seems that all your examples are cases where interoperability with or working like the Windows version is the primary required feature. For years after iTunes, there was no reasonable (GUI) alternative for MP3 playing, at the same time that iTunes was awful if you had a large, diverse collection without ID3 tags.
  - AllenKids 15y ago
    If you have a large diverse collection without ID3 tags you are pretty much fucked anyway. folders is extremely limited in sorting music which leaves you what? playlists?
    - bxr 15y ago
      >playlists? Yeah, nobody would want to use those. They especially wouldn't want to build a playlist on the fly with their ipod.
      - AllenKids 15y ago
        iTunes is amazing at creating smart playlists, but it can get a bit complicated. iOS devices all have to ability to create playlist on the fly to. But building playlist without proper ID3 info can get tedious real quick and endless playlist building is not a solution to the problem of quickly populating a queue on a whim.
chrisjsmith 15y ago
That is sharecropping. If you play on another corporation's turf, expect this to happen and expect your income to be destroyed with zero days notice.
- angrycoder 15y ago
  So you should create your own smartphone?
  - jarin 15y ago
    And your own distribution, payment processing (don't forget the ~$0.30 credit card transaction fee on your 99 cent sale), SDK, etc.
  - chrisjsmith 15y ago
    Nope. Unless it's an open platform. Ask yourself if your business and interest would exist if the smartphones didn't exist. Then assume that it doesn't exist tomorrow because someone decided that a license is changed, decided that they didn't want to approve your app or decide to stamp on your turf. Your world will collapse. Part of business is planning and resilience. It's something most Apple developers have not realised yet which is why so many of them are going to get canned by Apple over the next few years. This is purely down to being unrealistic, inexperienced and cash hungry. The whole smartphone/cloud platform thing going on at the moment is a seriously harmful process both for business (in the long term) and computing as a whole. It seems to be based wholly on vendor profiteering and quick wins rather than genuine progress.
FrojoS 15y ago
Agreed. I bought QuickCal in the Appstore that lets me add iCal entries without a mouse. Seems like Apple has build there own "QuickCal" now, though they say "just click on +". Personally, I don't care. At first, this is good for users. But I wonder why they are willing to hurt the ecosystem longterm with such actions. And that would be bad for users, too.

matthew-wegner 15y ago

Compare LockInfo (commercial jailbroken app): http://cdn.techhail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/LockInfo-Customize-Jailbroken-iPhone-Lockscreen-With-Messages-Calendar-and-Push-Notifications.jpg http://cdn.techhail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/LockInfo-... With the new notifications: http://photos.macrumorslive.com/p/2011-06-06/f1307382511.jpg http://photos.macrumorslive.com/p/2011-06-06/f1307382511.jpg

masklinn 15y ago
I find the general look of the new notifications much closer to MobileNotifier, whose lead dev (Peter Hajas) was just hired by Apple. That's actually the fairest case by far, as they basically "bought" the project through its lead dev.

dsplittgerber 15y ago

I accidentally clicked twice and two identical comments were created. I deleted one. Alas, the other seems to have gone rougue as well.

code_duck 15y ago
This has happened to me before - I triple posted, then deleted two comments to find that the remaining one was marked dead. I think HN has duplicate detection and dupes get marked dead automatically, so one should keep this in mind when manually deleting duplicate posts. It's good to wait a few minutes and see whether it's already taken care of.
- jokermatt999 15y ago
  I wonder if this is part of the reason there's a large number of [dead] comments that are perfectly reasonable. Either way, it seems like it would be a much better solution to simply delete the duplicate. If it can be detected to [dead] it, then it should be deletable, right?
- shii 15y ago
  Also has happened to me. It's why I have showdead on.
- RyanMcGreal 15y ago
  > I think HN has duplicate detection Seems like a great time for that to kick in is just before posting the second comment.

ansy 15y ago

This is par for the course with Apple. I remember back in the day there was this super popular shareware app called Aaron that gave System 7 users a System 8 looking theme. Keep in mind this was the dark ages of Apple. Aaron evolved into Kaleidoscope. A general purpose shareware theme manager that was met with enthusiasm by the Mac community. Kaleidoscope was synonymous with themes on Mac OS. http://www.kaleidoscope.net/What_is_Kaleidoscope.html http://www.kaleidoscope.net/What_is_Kaleidoscope.html By the time OS 8.5 rolled around Apple introduced Appearance Manager. Which was no more than a total rip off of Kaleidoscope. Apple engineers even wrote an internal utility that would convert Kaleidoscope themes into Appearance Manager themes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_Manager#Kaleidoscope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_Manager#Kaleidoscope The shareware author got zero credit. Zero money. He just got ripped off by Apple. In the end, though, Appearance Manager never took off. It was a combination of Kaleidoscope's momentum and the taint of Appearance Manager that kept theme authors from adopting it. EDIT: I also add the story of Konfabulator, written later by some of the same people that did Kaleidoscope. Konfabulator was also ripped off by Apple in the form of Dashboard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard_(software)#Comparison_with_Konfabulator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard_(software)#Comparison...

recoiledsnake 15y ago
Don't forget Readability, who's technology was leveraged in Safari but their iPhone app was killed by Apple because it couldn't cough up the 30% tithe on content purchases.
bugsy 15y ago
As a former registered user of Kaleidoscope, I have to say it destabilized your system because of the necessary system hacks. What you say about Apple stealing good designs is definitely true (http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/), but Kaleidoscope had other issues.
- masklinn 15y ago
  > http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ That's not a case of Apple stealing good design though, that's a case of them buying an Audion competitor. I'm sure Marco would have been far happier if Apple had bought instapaper. Or TapTapTap if Apple had bought Camera+. Hell, that would have been rather cool, it could have given third-party developers an interesting incentive: build something Apple will want to integrate in their core OS, and they'll buy you wholesale.

iqster 15y ago

Yes ... I was surprised by this. They fired a salvo at a lot of companies! The music part of iCloud seems very similar to Google Music. I tried their Beta but was very unimpressed. Perhaps Apple will get it right. I'm not holding my breath though ... there is a lot of complexity (software and contactual) under the hood. I'll believe it when I see it. The photo parts of iCloud are awesome! I can't wait to use it on my next vacation. If I damage my phone/camera or fill up my SD card, this might be s useful feature. Data roaming charges will likely make this less useful for International trips but oh well. It seems this would hurt dropbox. The Twitter integration seems like an aggressive move against Facebook. Not sure how tight this integration will be for the average non-tech person.

tghw 15y ago

Something something pennies, something something steamroller...

deleted 15y ago

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erikpukinskis 15y ago

Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? I know, it'll be like the great Safari massacre all over again, where Apple singlehandedly drove Firefox and Chrome to stop releasing Mac versions. Not to mention the Day When Email Apps' Blood Ran Like Water In The Streets, when everyone stopped using Exchange and Gmail because Apple released Mail.app. And don't even talk to me about what iChat did to Skype. I can't bear to think of it....

randallsquared 15y ago
Cherrypick, much? :) It seems that all your examples are cases where interoperability with or working like the Windows version is the primary required feature. For years after iTunes, there was no reasonable (GUI) alternative for MP3 playing, at the same time that iTunes was awful if you had a large, diverse collection without ID3 tags.
- AllenKids 15y ago
  If you have a large diverse collection without ID3 tags you are pretty much fucked anyway. folders is extremely limited in sorting music which leaves you what? playlists?
  - bxr 15y ago
    >playlists? Yeah, nobody would want to use those. They especially wouldn't want to build a playlist on the fly with their ipod.
    - AllenKids 15y ago
      iTunes is amazing at creating smart playlists, but it can get a bit complicated. iOS devices all have to ability to create playlist on the fly to. But building playlist without proper ID3 info can get tedious real quick and endless playlist building is not a solution to the problem of quickly populating a queue on a whim.

chrisjsmith 15y ago

That is sharecropping. If you play on another corporation's turf, expect this to happen and expect your income to be destroyed with zero days notice.

angrycoder 15y ago
So you should create your own smartphone?
- jarin 15y ago
  And your own distribution, payment processing (don't forget the ~$0.30 credit card transaction fee on your 99 cent sale), SDK, etc.
- chrisjsmith 15y ago
  Nope. Unless it's an open platform. Ask yourself if your business and interest would exist if the smartphones didn't exist. Then assume that it doesn't exist tomorrow because someone decided that a license is changed, decided that they didn't want to approve your app or decide to stamp on your turf. Your world will collapse. Part of business is planning and resilience. It's something most Apple developers have not realised yet which is why so many of them are going to get canned by Apple over the next few years. This is purely down to being unrealistic, inexperienced and cash hungry. The whole smartphone/cloud platform thing going on at the moment is a seriously harmful process both for business (in the long term) and computing as a whole. It seems to be based wholly on vendor profiteering and quick wins rather than genuine progress.

FrojoS 15y ago

Agreed. I bought QuickCal in the Appstore that lets me add iCal entries without a mouse. Seems like Apple has build there own "QuickCal" now, though they say "just click on +". Personally, I don't care. At first, this is good for users. But I wonder why they are willing to hurt the ecosystem longterm with such actions. And that would be bad for users, too.