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Firefox may be snappy and feature-forward, but I am reconsidering if I should keep using it considering Mozilla seems to support censorship and deplatforming: h

Firefox may be snappy and feature-forward, but I am reconsidering if I should keep using it considering Mozilla seems to support censorship and deplatforming: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...

tenebrisalietum 6y ago
Unless you're giving Mozilla money your use of the Firefox browser doesn't impact what Mozilla supports.
- strken 6y ago
  I stopped donating on the grounds that they were taking divisive positions on things that had nothing to do with the internet or browsers. Even being in agreement with those positions, I wished they'd stay specific and inclusive rather than going general and divisive.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  I think it does because it gives them market share and power, and it seems they are not the group I want to empower and trust with that kind of influence. I worry that Mozilla will one day enact browser-level deplatforming where it fits their political ideology and also am against "cancel culture" more generally.
  - tenebrisalietum 6y ago
    I'd love browser-level deplatforming if I was in control of it and could enable/disable as needed. People are already "deplatforming" ads with optional ad-blockers.
- zaphirplane 6y ago
  Of course no, Mozilla is paid fir search engine placement, the amount depends on Firefox’s market share. There is too pricey for bing to get that 3% market share default search
viraptor 6y ago
What exactly is your alternative in that position? Browsers based on NetSurf? Because if you're strictly anti-censorship, I've got bad news about WebKit, Blink, Gecko and others...
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  I'm not sure there is one but it may be the Dissenter browser, which is a fork of Brave. It is ultimately based on Chromium tech, but we need to stat somewhere. The browsers will ultimately end up implementing their own censorship. I was surprised (but also not surprised) when Chrome and Firefox banned the Dissenter comments extension (https://reclaimthenet.org/dissenter-free-speech-browser/ https://reclaimthenet.org/dissenter-free-speech-browser/) and with that ban being normalized, it'll soon come to which IP addresses you can access.
  - viraptor 6y ago
    > extension to help users resist online censorship and integrated ad blocking The irony of this is amazing.
    - byecomputer 6y ago
      Does believing in freedom of speech while blocking advertisements make one a hypocrite? If it does, well, I'm going to keep doing it. Happy to be a hypocrite on that count.
      - viraptor 6y ago
        I think both "it'll soon come to which IP addresses you can access." and recommending instead a browser which does pretty much that (just at url level) by default and says it's anti-censorship is hypocrisy, yes. Opting into that filtering - not as much.
        byecomputer 6y ago
        Maybe, but I'm still pretty confident that no important or meaningful speech will ever come from an ad server.
imwillofficial 6y ago
Firefox may be snappy and feature-forward, but I am reconsidering if I should keep using it considering Mozilla seems to support censorship and deplatforming: Agreed! My browser should not be deciding my content!
m-p-3 6y ago
If you take the time to read, they're not asking for deplatforming or censorship, they're asking for more transparency in ads and content origin.

tenebrisalietum 6y ago

Unless you're giving Mozilla money your use of the Firefox browser doesn't impact what Mozilla supports.

strken 6y ago
I stopped donating on the grounds that they were taking divisive positions on things that had nothing to do with the internet or browsers. Even being in agreement with those positions, I wished they'd stay specific and inclusive rather than going general and divisive.
throwawaysea 6y ago
I think it does because it gives them market share and power, and it seems they are not the group I want to empower and trust with that kind of influence. I worry that Mozilla will one day enact browser-level deplatforming where it fits their political ideology and also am against "cancel culture" more generally.
- tenebrisalietum 6y ago
  I'd love browser-level deplatforming if I was in control of it and could enable/disable as needed. People are already "deplatforming" ads with optional ad-blockers.
zaphirplane 6y ago
Of course no, Mozilla is paid fir search engine placement, the amount depends on Firefox’s market share. There is too pricey for bing to get that 3% market share default search

viraptor 6y ago

What exactly is your alternative in that position? Browsers based on NetSurf? Because if you're strictly anti-censorship, I've got bad news about WebKit, Blink, Gecko and others...

throwawaysea 6y ago
I'm not sure there is one but it may be the Dissenter browser, which is a fork of Brave. It is ultimately based on Chromium tech, but we need to stat somewhere. The browsers will ultimately end up implementing their own censorship. I was surprised (but also not surprised) when Chrome and Firefox banned the Dissenter comments extension (https://reclaimthenet.org/dissenter-free-speech-browser/ https://reclaimthenet.org/dissenter-free-speech-browser/) and with that ban being normalized, it'll soon come to which IP addresses you can access.
- viraptor 6y ago
  > extension to help users resist online censorship and integrated ad blocking The irony of this is amazing.
  - byecomputer 6y ago
    Does believing in freedom of speech while blocking advertisements make one a hypocrite? If it does, well, I'm going to keep doing it. Happy to be a hypocrite on that count.
    - viraptor 6y ago
      I think both "it'll soon come to which IP addresses you can access." and recommending instead a browser which does pretty much that (just at url level) by default and says it's anti-censorship is hypocrisy, yes. Opting into that filtering - not as much.
      - byecomputer 6y ago
        Maybe, but I'm still pretty confident that no important or meaningful speech will ever come from an ad server.

imwillofficial 6y ago

Firefox may be snappy and feature-forward, but I am reconsidering if I should keep using it considering Mozilla seems to support censorship and deplatforming: Agreed! My browser should not be deciding my content!

m-p-3 6y ago

If you take the time to read, they're not asking for deplatforming or censorship, they're asking for more transparency in ads and content origin.