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Hmm... so what happens if my hard drive crashes and I replace it myself?

by furyg3 15y ago

d3fun 15y ago
It tied to your apple account . You can login into app store and install it without having to pay again just like how the current app store works with other apps.
- ugh 15y ago
  Replacement harddrives tend to be empty.
  - MediaBehavior 15y ago
    I know not everybody has an external case, but many of those who replace own HDs do. They can (as I do): Use Carbon Copy Cloner to backup / prepare for system upgrade.
    - ugh 15y ago
      Sure, that’s when you have a working and bootable backup. If you don’t (for example because you are using Time Machine) it’s not really clear what you do. I think Apple has thought of some solution, we just don’t know it yet. It’s an interesting question.
ugh 15y ago
“You bring your Mac to the Apple Store!” is probably the answer Apple would give you. There might also be a way for you to put the installer on some drive. (There currently is one with the Developers Preview. It works just like the dmgs of older OS X discs and you can find it inside the App bundle of the installer you download in the App Store.)
rauljara 15y ago
Interesting question. If you could get the app-store on your computer, you could just redownload the OS (buy once, install on any number of computers). But how do you get the app store on your fresh hard drive? A time machine restore would work, but what if you had no time machine... I wonder if apple will let you burn a dvd with the os once you purchase it. I am worried they might force you to go to an apple store (which would suck if you weren't near one), but who knows. If they don't offer a reasonable solution right now, I suspect they will have to offer one in the near future by force of customer outrage.
- furyg3 15y ago
  AFAIK you can't boot from a TimeMachine backup... in order to restore from TimeMachine in the event of an HDD crash, you need OS media. :/
  - rauljara 15y ago
    Oh yeah. You are correct. I forgot because I included a partition on my time machine disk that is an OSX dvd, and so have restored from nothing but my time machine drive. Hmm.. it wouldn't be too hard for them to include a bootable set of disk utilities with your time machine back up. But did they? I hate having to wait for answers.
varikin 15y ago
Restore with your current restore DVD/flash drive first then reinstall to Lion. I assume new computers will still come with the restore DVD or flash drive in the case of the Air. Sounds like the starting point to me.
- natesm 15y ago
  In my case that is a Snow Leopard disk (my MBP came with Leopard). So I have to install Snow Leopard, download and update to 10.6.7(?), and then download Lion? That's a pretty horrible user experience.
  - sledmonkey 15y ago
    Devils advocate, is it much more of a step then downloading all the other software updates that have been released since you acquired your disc?
    - varikin 15y ago
      It is an ugly step when you have to go through 3 or 4 updates in row that require reboots.
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      - msbarnett 15y ago
        Have you actually updated an OS X install before, or are you just basing it on the crazy Windows update experience? Apple distributes combo updates that will take you straight from a base 10.6 install to 10.6.7. You don't play the goofy multiple-version update game.
        varikin 15y ago
        The occasional security release breaks that. I have had to install updates, and then it found more after a reboot. Though I haven't done that on a base 10.6 to current.
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eswat 15y ago
Don’t throw out your Snow Leopard disc I guess…
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GeneralMaximus 15y ago
Restore the Lion DMG to a USB drive using Disk Utility. Edit: I think App Store will download the DMG to a known location so people can create backups.
ary 15y ago
I'd be surprised if part of the Lion install process didn't involve creating recovery media on a CD/DVD/flash drive.
cefstat 15y ago
From https://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#internetrestore https://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#interne... Internet Restore and Utilities * Built into Lion: OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs. * Browse the web with Safari: Recovery mode now includes the Safari web browser, so you can check your email or browse the Apple Support site. * Reinstall OS X: OS X can be reinstalled on your Mac from recovery mode. * Restore from a Time Machine backup: Use recovery mode to restore your Mac from a Time Machine backup.
- AlexandrB 15y ago
  That doesn't answer the question at all. A dead hard drive will have an inoperable restore partition. This seems like it will be a total PITA. PC restore partitions I've worked with always had weird quirks (strange partition types, special MBR boot loader code) that make them hard to copy/move to a new drive successfully.
mitchty 15y ago
You do what the developers have been doing, going into the install app and copy the dmg to a dvd or usb stick so you can install it on other systems. Unless they are removing the disk image from the production release (unlikely). http://holgr.com/blog/2011/02/creating-a-bootable-os-x-10-7-lion-disc/ http://holgr.com/blog/2011/02/creating-a-bootable-os-x-10-7-...
limmeau 15y ago
On another forum[1], I read that the download includes a disk image for an emergency boot disk. [1] http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/news/foren/S-Re-Mac-OSX-Lion-nur-als-Upgrade-von-Snow-Leopard/forum-201424/msg-20341133/read/ http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/news/foren/S-Re-Mac-OSX-Lion-n...

Hmm... so what happens if my hard drive crashes and I replace it myself?

by furyg3 15y ago

Hmm... so what happens if my hard drive crashes and I replace it myself?

d3fun 15y ago

It tied to your apple account . You can login into app store and install it without having to pay again just like how the current app store works with other apps.

ugh 15y ago
Replacement harddrives tend to be empty.
- MediaBehavior 15y ago
  I know not everybody has an external case, but many of those who replace own HDs do. They can (as I do): Use Carbon Copy Cloner to backup / prepare for system upgrade.
  - ugh 15y ago
    Sure, that’s when you have a working and bootable backup. If you don’t (for example because you are using Time Machine) it’s not really clear what you do. I think Apple has thought of some solution, we just don’t know it yet. It’s an interesting question.

ugh 15y ago

“You bring your Mac to the Apple Store!” is probably the answer Apple would give you. There might also be a way for you to put the installer on some drive. (There currently is one with the Developers Preview. It works just like the dmgs of older OS X discs and you can find it inside the App bundle of the installer you download in the App Store.)

rauljara 15y ago

Interesting question. If you could get the app-store on your computer, you could just redownload the OS (buy once, install on any number of computers). But how do you get the app store on your fresh hard drive? A time machine restore would work, but what if you had no time machine... I wonder if apple will let you burn a dvd with the os once you purchase it. I am worried they might force you to go to an apple store (which would suck if you weren't near one), but who knows. If they don't offer a reasonable solution right now, I suspect they will have to offer one in the near future by force of customer outrage.

furyg3 15y ago
AFAIK you can't boot from a TimeMachine backup... in order to restore from TimeMachine in the event of an HDD crash, you need OS media. :/
- rauljara 15y ago
  Oh yeah. You are correct. I forgot because I included a partition on my time machine disk that is an OSX dvd, and so have restored from nothing but my time machine drive. Hmm.. it wouldn't be too hard for them to include a bootable set of disk utilities with your time machine back up. But did they? I hate having to wait for answers.

varikin 15y ago

Restore with your current restore DVD/flash drive first then reinstall to Lion. I assume new computers will still come with the restore DVD or flash drive in the case of the Air. Sounds like the starting point to me.

natesm 15y ago
In my case that is a Snow Leopard disk (my MBP came with Leopard). So I have to install Snow Leopard, download and update to 10.6.7(?), and then download Lion? That's a pretty horrible user experience.
- sledmonkey 15y ago
  Devils advocate, is it much more of a step then downloading all the other software updates that have been released since you acquired your disc?
  - varikin 15y ago
    It is an ugly step when you have to go through 3 or 4 updates in row that require reboots.
    - deleted 15y ago
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    - msbarnett 15y ago
      Have you actually updated an OS X install before, or are you just basing it on the crazy Windows update experience? Apple distributes combo updates that will take you straight from a base 10.6 install to 10.6.7. You don't play the goofy multiple-version update game.
      - varikin 15y ago
        The occasional security release breaks that. I have had to install updates, and then it found more after a reboot. Though I haven't done that on a base 10.6 to current.

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eswat 15y ago

Don’t throw out your Snow Leopard disc I guess…

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GeneralMaximus 15y ago

Restore the Lion DMG to a USB drive using Disk Utility. Edit: I think App Store will download the DMG to a known location so people can create backups.

ary 15y ago

I'd be surprised if part of the Lion install process didn't involve creating recovery media on a CD/DVD/flash drive.

cefstat 15y ago

From https://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#internetrestore https://www.apple.com/macosx/whats-new/features.html#interne... Internet Restore and Utilities * Built into Lion: OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs. * Browse the web with Safari: Recovery mode now includes the Safari web browser, so you can check your email or browse the Apple Support site. * Reinstall OS X: OS X can be reinstalled on your Mac from recovery mode. * Restore from a Time Machine backup: Use recovery mode to restore your Mac from a Time Machine backup.

AlexandrB 15y ago
That doesn't answer the question at all. A dead hard drive will have an inoperable restore partition. This seems like it will be a total PITA. PC restore partitions I've worked with always had weird quirks (strange partition types, special MBR boot loader code) that make them hard to copy/move to a new drive successfully.

mitchty 15y ago

You do what the developers have been doing, going into the install app and copy the dmg to a dvd or usb stick so you can install it on other systems. Unless they are removing the disk image from the production release (unlikely). http://holgr.com/blog/2011/02/creating-a-bootable-os-x-10-7-lion-disc/ http://holgr.com/blog/2011/02/creating-a-bootable-os-x-10-7-...

limmeau 15y ago

On another forum[1], I read that the download includes a disk image for an emergency boot disk. [1] http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/news/foren/S-Re-Mac-OSX-Lion-nur-als-Upgrade-von-Snow-Leopard/forum-201424/msg-20341133/read/ http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/news/foren/S-Re-Mac-OSX-Lion-n...