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> Is "laughing at the absurdity of it" supposed to convince people of something? Look, no one can convince someone of something when they are hellbent on seein

> Is "laughing at the absurdity of it" supposed to convince people of something? Look, no one can convince someone of something when they are hellbent on seeing things in a certain light. I’m sure if you look hard enough, you can find some Uyghur somewhere in those videos blinking out “HELP ME” in morse. But if Westerners are hyperventilating over Uyghur genocide while thousands of actual Uyghurs living in Xinjiang are making videos laughing at the allegations, don’t you think there’s something wrong with that picture? Rhetorical question. Here’s another great channel from an Uyghur Vlogger showing everyday life in Xinjiang (she posts on Bilibili but her fans have been reposting to Youtube). Nothing about that screams genocide to me, sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvC89nKCHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvC89nKCHo

duxup 6y ago
>But if Westerners are hyperventilating over Uyghur genocide while thousands of actual Uyghurs living in Xinjiang are making videos laughing at the allegations, don’t you think there’s something wrong with that picture? This is what I don't get. Such reliance on one off social media examples. If I found a video that said otherwise ... would that convince you? Why would you think it works the other way? Such reliance on such heavily anecdotal things (on some social media posts) seems very ... simple / a strange way to choose what to believe or even convince people.
- throw373782 6y ago
  It’s no different than how the entire Western media establishment has been relying on one-off style testimonies pushing atrocity propaganda and basing almost their entire genocide thesis off of anecdotal evidence. You’re acting like it’s my goal or duty to convince you, which is not the case. You can choose to believe what you want to believe. My simple goal here today is to make the point that the US has a long track record of manufacturing consent to achieve its geopolitical goals and that we all should be aware and on guard for it. This Uyghur genocide story throws up too many red flags for me. Here’s Lawrence Wilkerson (retired United States Army Colonel and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell) being very candid about America’s interest in Xinjiang. Hint: it’s not because they care about Uyghurs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBTT827b84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBTT827b84
  - duxup 6y ago
    I don't think you're required to provide me anything at all. >It’s no different than how the entire Western media establishment has been relying on one-off style testimonies pushing atrocity propaganda and basing almost their entire genocide thesis off of anecdotal evidence. I think you greatly misunderstand how western media operates. But that's not really surprising. I find folks who sympathize with non free states often misunderstand that their government's propaganda is not equal to how western media operates. It's just not a 1:1.
    - throw373782 6y ago
      You are conflating my skepticism of the official US State Department narrative on China with “sympathizing with non free states”, which is quite telling. > I think you greatly misunderstand how western media operates. I definitely used to greatly misunderstand how Western media operates. I was naive to the extent that I believed the invasion of Iraq was necessary. Now I’m under no such illusions. https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/ https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/ https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/ https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/
- berdario 6y ago
  It's not only one-off social media samples... When an actual genocide happens, you see massive flows of refugees trying to escape. Where are the news of massive flows of Chinese refugees in Kazakhstan, Russia, Kyrgyzstan?

duxup 6y ago

>But if Westerners are hyperventilating over Uyghur genocide while thousands of actual Uyghurs living in Xinjiang are making videos laughing at the allegations, don’t you think there’s something wrong with that picture? This is what I don't get. Such reliance on one off social media examples. If I found a video that said otherwise ... would that convince you? Why would you think it works the other way? Such reliance on such heavily anecdotal things (on some social media posts) seems very ... simple / a strange way to choose what to believe or even convince people.

throw373782 6y ago
It’s no different than how the entire Western media establishment has been relying on one-off style testimonies pushing atrocity propaganda and basing almost their entire genocide thesis off of anecdotal evidence. You’re acting like it’s my goal or duty to convince you, which is not the case. You can choose to believe what you want to believe. My simple goal here today is to make the point that the US has a long track record of manufacturing consent to achieve its geopolitical goals and that we all should be aware and on guard for it. This Uyghur genocide story throws up too many red flags for me. Here’s Lawrence Wilkerson (retired United States Army Colonel and former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell) being very candid about America’s interest in Xinjiang. Hint: it’s not because they care about Uyghurs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBTT827b84 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBTT827b84
- duxup 6y ago
  I don't think you're required to provide me anything at all. >It’s no different than how the entire Western media establishment has been relying on one-off style testimonies pushing atrocity propaganda and basing almost their entire genocide thesis off of anecdotal evidence. I think you greatly misunderstand how western media operates. But that's not really surprising. I find folks who sympathize with non free states often misunderstand that their government's propaganda is not equal to how western media operates. It's just not a 1:1.
  - throw373782 6y ago
    You are conflating my skepticism of the official US State Department narrative on China with “sympathizing with non free states”, which is quite telling. > I think you greatly misunderstand how western media operates. I definitely used to greatly misunderstand how Western media operates. I was naive to the extent that I believed the invasion of Iraq was necessary. Now I’m under no such illusions. https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/ https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/ https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/ https://swprs.org/the-american-empire-and-its-media/
berdario 6y ago
It's not only one-off social media samples... When an actual genocide happens, you see massive flows of refugees trying to escape. Where are the news of massive flows of Chinese refugees in Kazakhstan, Russia, Kyrgyzstan?