Fair point, should probably have removed that. Still it's so much easier to stay warm if you're out of the wind, with doors closed, and can wear a jacket that d

Fair point, should probably have removed that. Still it's so much easier to stay warm if you're out of the wind, with doors closed, and can wear a jacket that doesn't turn you sweaty like biking 20min in warm winter clothes often does for me, due to not working out. To me the biggest downside to all these electric vehicles over bikes is that walking and biking is super healthy, and a city focused on infrastructure to accommodate it (with public-transport for larger trips) is a net benefit. The average American gets 3500 steps or so per day because they get transported everywhere by a vehicle, meaning probably a hundred million Americans get just 1000-2000 per day, when we ought to really be somewhere in the 5000-10000 range. If these things displace (ICE) cars, great. But I've never owned a car in my life and just bike/walk, but with electric vehicles becoming so convenient, cheap and useful, I see it displacing that very soon. A washing machine or water faucet displacing manual labour to clean clothes or get water from a well is great, a machine displacing even just walks and bike rides... not so much.