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You are incorrect. The legal definition of genocide under the UN, and recognized as international law by ratified signatories is discussed here. https://www.u

by ygjb 6y ago

You are incorrect. The legal definition of genocide under the UN, and recognized as international law by ratified signatories is discussed here. https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml The reality is that child separation, sterilization, and the acts taken by the Chinese government to destroy Uigher connections to their cultural history meet the definition. Genocide isn't just about killing people, it's about obliterating a people and their culture, and you can't stop the definition at mass murder.

omginternets 6y ago
You are mistaken. In fact, your link quite clearly supports my position (namely: that intent is key): >In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: [...] (Emphasis mine)
- ygjb 6y ago
  I don't know what point you are trying to make; the intent is key, but the intent is clear. The Chinese government is targetting the Uigher people and their supporters with the intention of destroying the Uigher cultural identity. The Chinese government is doing all of these things to the Uigher people, and I am not going to replicate the exhaustively cited information that is summarized in the article[1] below to support each individual claim. I recognize that Wikipedia articles may have bias, but the bulk of the citations in that article are from recognized news sources. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
  - omginternets 6y ago
    >The Chinese government is targetting the Uigher people and their supporters with the intention of destroying the Uigher cultural identity. This is begging the question -- what are those things that reveal the intent to eradicate? We both agree that Uighur's are being specifically targeted, of course, but the Wikipedia article is weaseling in the "cultural" qualifier, i.e. "cultural genocidie". That's a comparison to genocide. I still don't see clear and compelling evidence of intent to eradicate. Evidence of intent to torture? Yes. Evidence of intent to marginalize? Yes. Evidence of intent to harvest organs for the benefit of others? Yes. Evidence that Chinese policy wishes to remove the people from existence? I could be convinced, and it wouldn't surprise me very much, but the evidence is unclear. What am I overlooking?
    - ygjb 6y ago
      You are overlooking the policies of child separation and forced sterilization. Read the sources in the article I linked to.
      - omginternets 6y ago
        You're overlooking that these were addressed in the parent comment...

by ygjb 6y ago

omginternets 6y ago

You are mistaken. In fact, your link quite clearly supports my position (namely: that intent is key): >In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: [...] (Emphasis mine)

ygjb 6y ago
I don't know what point you are trying to make; the intent is key, but the intent is clear. The Chinese government is targetting the Uigher people and their supporters with the intention of destroying the Uigher cultural identity. The Chinese government is doing all of these things to the Uigher people, and I am not going to replicate the exhaustively cited information that is summarized in the article[1] below to support each individual claim. I recognize that Wikipedia articles may have bias, but the bulk of the citations in that article are from recognized news sources. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide
- omginternets 6y ago
  >The Chinese government is targetting the Uigher people and their supporters with the intention of destroying the Uigher cultural identity. This is begging the question -- what are those things that reveal the intent to eradicate? We both agree that Uighur's are being specifically targeted, of course, but the Wikipedia article is weaseling in the "cultural" qualifier, i.e. "cultural genocidie". That's a comparison to genocide. I still don't see clear and compelling evidence of intent to eradicate. Evidence of intent to torture? Yes. Evidence of intent to marginalize? Yes. Evidence of intent to harvest organs for the benefit of others? Yes. Evidence that Chinese policy wishes to remove the people from existence? I could be convinced, and it wouldn't surprise me very much, but the evidence is unclear. What am I overlooking?
  - ygjb 6y ago
    You are overlooking the policies of child separation and forced sterilization. Read the sources in the article I linked to.
    - omginternets 6y ago
      You're overlooking that these were addressed in the parent comment...