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Don't forget the anthropic principal: the reason we haven't yet encountered any civilization-destroying black balls is because we wouldn't be here to wonder why
by nostrademons 6y ago
Don't forget the anthropic principal: the reason we haven't yet encountered any civilization-destroying black balls is because we wouldn't be here to wonder why if we had.
Similarly, there's a probabilistic argument that we actually are on the cusp of some humanity-destroying event. If human population grows exponentially until it faces a civilization-destroying crisis, then a large fraction of the people who will ever be born will be born in the last lifetime before the cataclysm, because this is the nature of exponential growth. Hence, for any given observer, chances are they see the end of civilization.
(Changing population growth rates can alter this prediction somewhat: I've read that only about 10% of all humans who have ever lived are alive now, because we had several millenia of relative stagnation & steady-state population. That implies that if we don't see a cataclysm, though, there will be more stagnation ahead.)
Finally, don't rule out the possibility that the definition of "consciousness" may shift. Is a bacteria self-aware? Nobody's ever really asked one. They do communicate via chemical signals, though. [1] What if in the future, humanity's role is essentially like cells in a great planetary-scale organization, and we have planets asking each other "Do we need to worry about the destruction of the galaxy?"
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16212498/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16212498/
- indigochill 6y ago> Finally, don't rule out the possibility that the definition of "consciousness" may shift. Memes (in the academic sense, not the cat video sense) display all our characteristics for biological life. They respond to stimuli (other memes, changing social trends, etc). They grow, evolve, reproduce (Catholicism->Many branches of Protestantism) They maintain homeostasis (core principles) They're built of cells (people) And so on. Although I probably wouldn't say they show signs of intelligence (although it'd be cool if someone could imagine a sentient meme). They seem more like "simple" organisms, but at a layer of abstraction above sentient life, something like how biological life is a layer of abstraction above chemistry.
- currymj 6y agothe Doomsday Argument seems plausible, but assuming you are selected uniformly at random from all possible humans results in a hidden assumption that the future can have an effect on the past, which doesn't seem reasonable. I realize this PDF from 2005 by a member of "The Futurists Guild" may not seem like a reliable academic source, but it lays out some good thought experiments on the topic. http://cogprints.org/4045/1/Causality.pdf http://cogprints.org/4045/1/Causality.pdf