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Icon fonts were always a workaround for vector graphics, this because SVGs were not well supported. So good to hear newer browsers have better support. Unfortun
by nickserv 6y ago
Icon fonts were always a workaround for vector graphics, this because SVGs were not well supported. So good to hear newer browsers have better support. Unfortunately, one does generally need to support users on older browsers.
- bluefirebrand 6y agoIf IE6's longevity is any indication, you may need to support users on older browsers for all of time.
- soperj 6y agoConsidering Microsoft doesn't even support ie11 any more, no one else should.
- bluefirebrand 6y agoAnd yet many places still probably do, because some corporate IT has refused to upgrade, and they are a core customer that needs to be supported.
- traveler01 6y agoSo basically you're wasting your money supporting those outdated browsers because someone refused to waste their money upgrading their browsers? How about security?
- Firehawke 6y agoFor internal use (e.g. inside a corporation that bought heavily into ActiveX, etc) you're going to have a hell of a time getting authorization to rewrite things because "it works just fine and we don't feel a need to spend money on this" That's not changing any time soon; even with old IE ripped out of Windows 10 to a large extent, there are still multitudes of kiosks and other custom setups using XP/Vista out there that won't be getting any upgrade.
- bluefirebrand 6y agoFrom a business standpoint if it is earning more money than it costs, is it a waste of money? Security should absolutely be more of a concern but it's not. You're talking about business choices not engineering choices.
- traveler01 6y agoAt that point would be like paying for insurance. I mean, don't they take into account that leaving their systems unsecure can be very bad for the company?
- postalrat 6y agoMany places do because they have people like yourself thinking they should. But really nobody would notice if you dropped support.
- fedorareis 6y agoI would argue that if Microsoft was serious about not supporting IE11 they would stop shipping it with Windows 10. Until they do a lot of corporations will continue to use it and have it set as the default browser for their employees.
- 908B64B197 6y agoThey still ship it for intranet websites compatibility and for Silverlight. I think the plan is for Edge to one day have a way to display pages in IE compatibility mode.
- JxLS-cpgbe0 6y agoIf IE's (any version) longevity is any indication, you don't. Use feature detection, not user agent.
- hannob 6y agoWhat old browsers are you talking about? https://caniuse.com/svg https://caniuse.com/svg https://caniuse.com/svg-img https://caniuse.com/svg-img It seems to me the only browsers not supporting any SVG are ones you'd expect in a computer museum, but not in active use.
- ehutch79 6y agoYeaaaahhhh... Those computers are still in use at some enterprises. and by some home users who can't/won't upgrade
- silly-silly 6y agoMy Mum wont upgrade from windows 95, please keep supporting Internet Explorer 6 SP1, Stop it with any of your fancy tools/websites. The flipside is that one just accept that the users who are not able to upgrade are not your target audience and will use other systems to get their work done. Don't carry others burdens when they self impose their problems.
- reaperducer 6y agothe only browsers not supporting any SVG are ones you'd expect in a computer museum Or in healthcare. Or in industrial systems. Or in kiosks. Or in much of the real world beyond social media and "disruptive" industries.
- csours 6y agoWindows 2000 Forever!
- MatmaRex 6y agoPlease have a look at the browser lists linked in the parent post again. SVG enjoys better browser support than the web fonts being discussed here. I am also wondering which old browsers you're talking about.
- tinus_hn 6y agoAh, all these locations where security is an afterthought
- lucasmullens 6y agoMore and more developers are deciding to give up on IE. The cost to support it is high, in large part because you have to not use any of these newer things like SVG that save a ton of time and improve performance.
- reaperducer 6y agoMore and more developers are deciding to give up on IE. Developers almost never get to decide if they want to give up on IE, unless they're doing their own project. It's always the legal, security, and other departments and middle managers that make that decision. I can imagine the response of a developer at an enterprise saying to the boss, "I'm going to stop supporting 2% of our customers, is that OK with you?"
- Turing_Machine 6y ago> I can imagine the response of a developer at an enterprise saying to the boss, "I'm going to stop supporting 2% of our customers, is that OK with you?" Depends on whether it's followed by "This will save 20-50% of development and maintenance costs."
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- car 6y agoYou can use SVG image fallback [1] in older browsers. [1] https://css-tricks.com/a-complete-guide-to-svg-fallbacks/ https://css-tricks.com/a-complete-guide-to-svg-fallbacks/