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Given the legal turmoil it's been adopted/forked for use on the Vampire series of Amiga accelerators/clones. See also: reactos (Windows2k) and haiku-os (BeOS)

grahamlee 6y ago
To be clear, the legal turmoil in question is over the current ownership of the original Amiga brand and IP, not AROS itself. AROS is published under a license that is not OSI approved but is actually a fork of the MPL with the word "Netscape" changed.
- cmsj 6y ago
  I wondered if the parent comment was actually talking about the Vampire folks distributing an AmigaOS image with programs/games pre-loaded, without having the rights to do so?
  - grahamlee 6y ago
    The ApolloOS distribution of AROS that Apollo ship still has plenty of proprietary software on it. In the Discord they’ve discussed that the problem they had with CoffinOS/Amiga Coffin was the rights to Amiga OS.
- vhodges 6y ago
  Ah, sorry for not being clearer. Yes this is what I was talking about.
spijdar 6y ago
One big difference is AROS only aims for essentially source compatibility with Amiga, while both ReactOS and Haiku aim for binary compatibility[0]. I've only toyed around a little bit with AROS back when I was a teen, but my impression is it's something a bit different than just a clone of any Amiga OS. It's sort of Amiga-like, but does things differently, and targets very different hardware. Which I think is pretty cool :) [0] I believe Haiku intends to drop binary compat with BeOS at some point, maybe they already have? It's why Haiku still uses (used?) a version of GCC from 2003, for binary compat
- vidarh 6y ago
  I think the M68k version does aim for binary compatibility where practical, but outside of M68k it doesn't really make much sense as AmigaOS4 on PPC deviates quite significantly from older AmigaOS, and for the other architectures there of course isn't any AmigaOS software.
  - spijdar 6y ago
    Huh, this is further along and more ambitious than I remembered! https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support Looks like it's pretty far along. Shame that old Amiga hardware is more and more unavailable nowadays, looks like this would be fun to hack on.
    - vidarh 6y ago
      If I were to get an m68k-ish machine to play with today, it'd almost certainly be a Vampire V4 Standalone. It's of course not acceptable to those who insists on classic hardware, but it feels like a close-enough evolution with sufficiently fun improvements.
    - vhodges 6y ago
      There are a bunch of hardware clones (usually need genuine custom chips). I think there are a500 and 1200 replacement mother boards (and cases!). There is a replacement a1000 motherboard (just announced) and a Mini-ITX Amiga MB. There are of course a bunch of FPGA options including the Vampire v4sa which I would pick up, but is a bit on the costly side (~800CAD)
- vhodges 6y ago
  There are two builds of Haiku right now, one using the legacy compiler for binary compatibility and a new one that updates the compiler at the cost of binary compatibility.
- cable2600 6y ago
  MS-DOS was programmed using CP/M API calls for the DOS Interrupts. AROS uses AmigaOS 3.1 API calls for the DOS Interrupts.
ethanpil 6y ago
Anyone interested in this legal turmoil should visit https://sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/ https://sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/ I wonder if anything would have been different if the Amiga IP was opened to the public. Perhaps nothing...

grahamlee 6y ago

To be clear, the legal turmoil in question is over the current ownership of the original Amiga brand and IP, not AROS itself. AROS is published under a license that is not OSI approved but is actually a fork of the MPL with the word "Netscape" changed.

cmsj 6y ago
I wondered if the parent comment was actually talking about the Vampire folks distributing an AmigaOS image with programs/games pre-loaded, without having the rights to do so?
- grahamlee 6y ago
  The ApolloOS distribution of AROS that Apollo ship still has plenty of proprietary software on it. In the Discord they’ve discussed that the problem they had with CoffinOS/Amiga Coffin was the rights to Amiga OS.
vhodges 6y ago
Ah, sorry for not being clearer. Yes this is what I was talking about.

spijdar 6y ago

One big difference is AROS only aims for essentially source compatibility with Amiga, while both ReactOS and Haiku aim for binary compatibility[0]. I've only toyed around a little bit with AROS back when I was a teen, but my impression is it's something a bit different than just a clone of any Amiga OS. It's sort of Amiga-like, but does things differently, and targets very different hardware. Which I think is pretty cool :) [0] I believe Haiku intends to drop binary compat with BeOS at some point, maybe they already have? It's why Haiku still uses (used?) a version of GCC from 2003, for binary compat

vidarh 6y ago
I think the M68k version does aim for binary compatibility where practical, but outside of M68k it doesn't really make much sense as AmigaOS4 on PPC deviates quite significantly from older AmigaOS, and for the other architectures there of course isn't any AmigaOS software.
- spijdar 6y ago
  Huh, this is further along and more ambitious than I remembered! https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support Looks like it's pretty far along. Shame that old Amiga hardware is more and more unavailable nowadays, looks like this would be fun to hack on.
  - vidarh 6y ago
    If I were to get an m68k-ish machine to play with today, it'd almost certainly be a Vampire V4 Standalone. It's of course not acceptable to those who insists on classic hardware, but it feels like a close-enough evolution with sufficiently fun improvements.
  - vhodges 6y ago
    There are a bunch of hardware clones (usually need genuine custom chips). I think there are a500 and 1200 replacement mother boards (and cases!). There is a replacement a1000 motherboard (just announced) and a Mini-ITX Amiga MB. There are of course a bunch of FPGA options including the Vampire v4sa which I would pick up, but is a bit on the costly side (~800CAD)
vhodges 6y ago
There are two builds of Haiku right now, one using the legacy compiler for binary compatibility and a new one that updates the compiler at the cost of binary compatibility.
cable2600 6y ago
MS-DOS was programmed using CP/M API calls for the DOS Interrupts. AROS uses AmigaOS 3.1 API calls for the DOS Interrupts.

ethanpil 6y ago

Anyone interested in this legal turmoil should visit https://sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/ https://sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/ I wonder if anything would have been different if the Amiga IP was opened to the public. Perhaps nothing...