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At the risk of excessive snark, are those the same models that predicted the ice caps melting in the 90s? Speaking purely historically, climate models and scien

At the risk of excessive snark, are those the same models that predicted the ice caps melting in the 90s? Speaking purely historically, climate models and scientists predicting global catastrophe has happened multiple times, actual global catastrophe has not. Were this issue not highly politicized, I could openly question the implications of kind of failures without qualification :/

sep_field 6y ago
You might want to check the news. The arctic has melted, temperatures have topped 100 degrees. The sea ice, where still present, is less than an inch thick. Commercial shipping is happening in winter without the aid of icebreaking ships. The Polar Vortex has gotten completely destabilized, sending the Jet Stream careening deep into southern latitudes (which is why Texas froze). This is ecological doom knocking at our door. There are multiple, overlapping positive feedback loops occurring. You really should be paying attention and not just smugly pretending that you can "own the libs".
- Karunamon 6y ago
  See, that last insult is exactly what I was hoping to avoid. "Hey, this particular field of endeavor has a poor track record of making bad predictions of doom" is a verifiable fact, and you just turned it into partisan shit-flinging. Nobody's attempting to own anyone here, but thanks for lowering the standard of discourse substantially. >Temperatures have topped 100 at the North Pole No they have not. The highest temperature ever recorded was 56. Cite your sources. sep_field silently edited their post to change "North Pole" to "the arctic".
  - Cd00d 6y ago
    This is annoying bickering, made only worse by the fact that you're both quoting temperatures without sources or units.
  - sep_field 6y ago
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/it-hit-100-f-in-the-arctic-circle-this-weekend/ar-BB15SpJD https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/it-hit-100-f-in-the-... Your facts aren't worth the faeces they were smeared on the wall with.
  - sep_field 6y ago
    You silently edited your post to add "at the North Pole". Stop lying.
- linuxftw 6y ago
  Here's some news: The arctic melting was already projected with or without human interference. At best, we marginally sped up the process. > The Polar Vortex has gotten completely destabilized Yes, every whether phenomenon is now caused by global warming, as if Texas has never seen ice.
  - sep_field 6y ago
    oh yah, its all a big joke. Mass starvation for the lucky ones, suffocation by smoke and roasted to death for the unlucky ones. Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk. Real funny. You'll be basking in your cleverness when your turn comes, I'm sure.
  - sep_field 6y ago
    https://therightsofnature.org/universal-declaration/ https://therightsofnature.org/universal-declaration/ How Jet Stream Collapse will Cause Mass Starvation Explained by Dr. Peter Wadhams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKilc_oMbrg&feature=yout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKilc_oMbrg&feature=yout... Here are four countries that have given nature the same legal rights as humans. #BeLikeThem. Solutions are everywhere. Let's implement them and protect people and the planet. #ActOnClimate #nature #forests https://twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1361531384351891456 https://twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1361531384351891456

sep_field 6y ago

You might want to check the news. The arctic has melted, temperatures have topped 100 degrees. The sea ice, where still present, is less than an inch thick. Commercial shipping is happening in winter without the aid of icebreaking ships. The Polar Vortex has gotten completely destabilized, sending the Jet Stream careening deep into southern latitudes (which is why Texas froze). This is ecological doom knocking at our door. There are multiple, overlapping positive feedback loops occurring. You really should be paying attention and not just smugly pretending that you can "own the libs".

Karunamon 6y ago
See, that last insult is exactly what I was hoping to avoid. "Hey, this particular field of endeavor has a poor track record of making bad predictions of doom" is a verifiable fact, and you just turned it into partisan shit-flinging. Nobody's attempting to own anyone here, but thanks for lowering the standard of discourse substantially. >Temperatures have topped 100 at the North Pole No they have not. The highest temperature ever recorded was 56. Cite your sources. sep_field silently edited their post to change "North Pole" to "the arctic".
- Cd00d 6y ago
  This is annoying bickering, made only worse by the fact that you're both quoting temperatures without sources or units.
- sep_field 6y ago
  https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/it-hit-100-f-in-the-arctic-circle-this-weekend/ar-BB15SpJD https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/politics/it-hit-100-f-in-the-... Your facts aren't worth the faeces they were smeared on the wall with.
- sep_field 6y ago
  You silently edited your post to add "at the North Pole". Stop lying.
linuxftw 6y ago
Here's some news: The arctic melting was already projected with or without human interference. At best, we marginally sped up the process. > The Polar Vortex has gotten completely destabilized Yes, every whether phenomenon is now caused by global warming, as if Texas has never seen ice.
- sep_field 6y ago
  oh yah, its all a big joke. Mass starvation for the lucky ones, suffocation by smoke and roasted to death for the unlucky ones. Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk. Real funny. You'll be basking in your cleverness when your turn comes, I'm sure.
- sep_field 6y ago
  https://therightsofnature.org/universal-declaration/ https://therightsofnature.org/universal-declaration/ How Jet Stream Collapse will Cause Mass Starvation Explained by Dr. Peter Wadhams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKilc_oMbrg&feature=yout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKilc_oMbrg&feature=yout... Here are four countries that have given nature the same legal rights as humans. #BeLikeThem. Solutions are everywhere. Let's implement them and protect people and the planet. #ActOnClimate #nature #forests https://twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1361531384351891456 https://twitter.com/MikeHudema/status/1361531384351891456