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Yes. Conway’s law is socially inevitable, align with it. Hari Seldon approves this message. NB: one may also just call them “services” with no practical loss o

Yes. Conway’s law is socially inevitable, align with it. Hari Seldon approves this message. NB: one may also just call them “services” with no practical loss of generality and sounding less like technobabble to everyone else.

goatinaboat 6y ago
NB: one may also just call them “services” with no practical loss of generality and sounding less like technobabble to everyone else. Problem is that SOA has been around for decades whereas “microservices” sounds hip and cutting-edge
- ebiester 6y ago
  I think the SOA/microservices distinction has to do with the patterns of architecture more than anything else. (For example, the enterprise service bus is... well, ignore that if you squint it looks a bit like the service mesh and Kafka in a sufficiently complex microservice system.)
  - dasil003 6y ago
    There’s no distinction anymore , just like DevOps is now a role not a movement, and hacker is a criminal not a maker. You can’t fight the natural language evolution when it’s buzzwords that people get hired on.
- lovegoblin 6y ago
  > “microservices” sounds hip and cutting-edge Maybe 8 years ago it did.
  - diroussel 6y ago
    I was definitely contemplating the definition of microservices back in 2012. I think Netflix had been blogging about it then, or just before.
staticassertion 6y ago
> NB: one may also just call them “services” with no practical loss of generality and sounding less like technobabble to everyone else. This is completely untrue, and I think it's part of the problem with discussions about microservices. People think it means "lots of small services". That is not what it means. That would be closer to SOA. Microservices is not SOA, and it is not "technobabble". It has defined constructs, methodologies, and patterns.
- lmb 6y ago
  You're arguing that the majority of people use the term differently than you and are therefore wrong. Sounds like the definition of technobabble to me.
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    I think that tech has this extreme, albeit well-earn, revulsion to hype that makes them reject things based on terminology and community over actually understanding the thing. I see it all the time. It's simply wrong to say that microservices is just "services". Many people being wrong changes nothing.
- rzzzt 6y ago
  What _are_ microservices? </DavidDuchovny>
- tsss 6y ago
  Then what is the difference?
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    https://www.oreilly.com/content/a-quick-and-simple-definition-of-microservices/ https://www.oreilly.com/content/a-quick-and-simple-definitio... I feel like you could just google SOA and Microservice architecture, pick up a book, and answer that for yourself.
    - 6y ago

goatinaboat 6y ago

NB: one may also just call them “services” with no practical loss of generality and sounding less like technobabble to everyone else. Problem is that SOA has been around for decades whereas “microservices” sounds hip and cutting-edge

ebiester 6y ago
I think the SOA/microservices distinction has to do with the patterns of architecture more than anything else. (For example, the enterprise service bus is... well, ignore that if you squint it looks a bit like the service mesh and Kafka in a sufficiently complex microservice system.)
- dasil003 6y ago
  There’s no distinction anymore , just like DevOps is now a role not a movement, and hacker is a criminal not a maker. You can’t fight the natural language evolution when it’s buzzwords that people get hired on.
lovegoblin 6y ago
> “microservices” sounds hip and cutting-edge Maybe 8 years ago it did.
- diroussel 6y ago
  I was definitely contemplating the definition of microservices back in 2012. I think Netflix had been blogging about it then, or just before.

staticassertion 6y ago

> NB: one may also just call them “services” with no practical loss of generality and sounding less like technobabble to everyone else. This is completely untrue, and I think it's part of the problem with discussions about microservices. People think it means "lots of small services". That is not what it means. That would be closer to SOA. Microservices is not SOA, and it is not "technobabble". It has defined constructs, methodologies, and patterns.

lmb 6y ago
You're arguing that the majority of people use the term differently than you and are therefore wrong. Sounds like the definition of technobabble to me.
- staticassertion 6y ago
  I think that tech has this extreme, albeit well-earn, revulsion to hype that makes them reject things based on terminology and community over actually understanding the thing. I see it all the time. It's simply wrong to say that microservices is just "services". Many people being wrong changes nothing.
rzzzt 6y ago
What _are_ microservices? </DavidDuchovny>
tsss 6y ago
Then what is the difference?
- staticassertion 6y ago
  https://www.oreilly.com/content/a-quick-and-simple-definition-of-microservices/ https://www.oreilly.com/content/a-quick-and-simple-definitio... I feel like you could just google SOA and Microservice architecture, pick up a book, and answer that for yourself.
  - 6y ago