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We need to put a stop to all electronic surveillance. Cheap tech/software is making it appear everywhere. It’s just going to get more pervasive in the future.

We need to put a stop to all electronic surveillance. Cheap tech/software is making it appear everywhere. It’s just going to get more pervasive in the future. I already feel like the wealthy are watching us everywhere. I would like to see most electronic monitoring made illegal. I think we need to set up laws over employer monitoring, even having cameras at work for any reason, even for loss prevention. If they decide they need to bring us in—so be it. If an employer doesn’t think you pull your weight, they can fire. All public, police electronic, license plate scanners, including ankle brackets, and alcohol monitors should be illegal. Yes—even alcohol monitors. Go back to “If he passed the field sobriety test” let him go. In certain rare situations, a blood test could be obtained. In my county, Marin County, I’m pretty convinced most DUI’s are marginal, and give our officers something to do? (Yes—I see you cops on Sir Francis Drake Boulevard salivating for something to put on your shift reports, especially after 10 pm. Don’t bother driving through Marin County after 10 pm, especially if your drive an old car, or had a glass of wine at dinner. Sorry—I walk at night, and have been seeing way to many traffic stops. I know one know my neighborhood, but I bet they are seeing the same in their neighborhoods.) I would like to see all cameras in public settings removed. I would even put back the Toll Takers. All this cheap tech, and surveillance will just get worse in the future. We got by for decades without it? We seemed to have a better society back then for the most part? Worried about security, hire a Security Guard? Worried about ethics/morality of your hires, maybe show up in church, or set an example for your employees? The only form of surveillance I was excited about was Police Cams, but most are easily disabled by the officer. The only worth while video seems like it from a passerby who has a phone? I don’t want to get into a big debate, but feel like we are at a point where the we are all being watched/photographed way too much. To all the nervous nellies out there, whom believe surveillance makes society safer/better; everyone has a nice camera at their fingertips.

matz1 6y ago
electronic monitoring is just a tools, it can be use for good or bad, it would be sucks if that made illegal, I would certainly oppose it. What you want to prevent or make illegal is the usage of electronic monitoring that is harmful, not electronic monitoring itself.
sdoering 6y ago
You say a lot of "I would like" and "We must" - without providing any evidence of what this would entail - positively or negatively. I lack the factual basis here to judge the wishes/demands put forward? What would be the consequence of banning all such measures? Are there any studies, comparisons, etc. here? > We seemed to have a better society back then for the most part? Now here the question is, how do you define that? At least in Germany, the statistics say that society has become less criminal and much safer. So what is a "better society" in your definition?
whoknew1122 6y ago
> "I would like to see most electronic monitoring made illegal." What does this even mean? Does it mean no logging of anything you do online? If you go to a website, it creates an HTTP log. The administrators of those sites usually review HTTP logs for valid, not-scary, security related issues. If I have see a spike in error codes, then there might be an availability issue on my website. I can also look for indicators of SQL injection attacks and other malfeasance. These are all valid reasons to review logs you, the person visiting my website, generate. What about CCTV cameras? Can I not put one in my business? You're entering my business. > "All public, police electronic, license plate scanners, including ankle brackets, and alcohol monitors should be illegal." This is silly. If we ban things like radar guns, police are just going to fall back to the less-accurate eyeball test. Ankle bracelets and alcohol monitors are ways to keep people out of jail. You're not typically forced to wear one unless it's a condition of your probation or parole. Don't like them? Stay in jail.
- CaptainZapp 6y ago
  > What does this even mean? In most European countries intrusive monitoring is illegal. For example, you are not allowed to snoop on your employees email unless there's a very good reason for that (suspected fraud, stealing information, etc). Even more intrusive tools are outright illegal. > What about CCTV cameras? Can I not put one in my business? You can. What you can't do is use them to snoop on your employees indiscriminately and you better have a clear retention policy for the footage and make sure that it's deleted after a specified period. e: small clarification

matz1 6y ago

electronic monitoring is just a tools, it can be use for good or bad, it would be sucks if that made illegal, I would certainly oppose it. What you want to prevent or make illegal is the usage of electronic monitoring that is harmful, not electronic monitoring itself.

sdoering 6y ago

You say a lot of "I would like" and "We must" - without providing any evidence of what this would entail - positively or negatively. I lack the factual basis here to judge the wishes/demands put forward? What would be the consequence of banning all such measures? Are there any studies, comparisons, etc. here? > We seemed to have a better society back then for the most part? Now here the question is, how do you define that? At least in Germany, the statistics say that society has become less criminal and much safer. So what is a "better society" in your definition?

whoknew1122 6y ago

> "I would like to see most electronic monitoring made illegal." What does this even mean? Does it mean no logging of anything you do online? If you go to a website, it creates an HTTP log. The administrators of those sites usually review HTTP logs for valid, not-scary, security related issues. If I have see a spike in error codes, then there might be an availability issue on my website. I can also look for indicators of SQL injection attacks and other malfeasance. These are all valid reasons to review logs you, the person visiting my website, generate. What about CCTV cameras? Can I not put one in my business? You're entering my business. > "All public, police electronic, license plate scanners, including ankle brackets, and alcohol monitors should be illegal." This is silly. If we ban things like radar guns, police are just going to fall back to the less-accurate eyeball test. Ankle bracelets and alcohol monitors are ways to keep people out of jail. You're not typically forced to wear one unless it's a condition of your probation or parole. Don't like them? Stay in jail.

CaptainZapp 6y ago
> What does this even mean? In most European countries intrusive monitoring is illegal. For example, you are not allowed to snoop on your employees email unless there's a very good reason for that (suspected fraud, stealing information, etc). Even more intrusive tools are outright illegal. > What about CCTV cameras? Can I not put one in my business? You can. What you can't do is use them to snoop on your employees indiscriminately and you better have a clear retention policy for the footage and make sure that it's deleted after a specified period. e: small clarification