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As far as I know, monitoring like this is illegal everywhere in Europe
by firechickenbird 6y ago
As far as I know, monitoring like this is illegal everywhere in Europe
- orangepanda 6y agoSource? There are products especially for europe that do monitoring like this.
- edumucelli 6y agoThe remote work law in the European Union is here https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/FR/TXT/?uri=LEGISSUM:c10131 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/FR/TXT/?uri=LEGISSUM... The specific article in question is: * "If any kind of monitoring system is put in place, it needs to be proportionate to the objective and introduced in accordance with Directive 90/270 on visual display units;" It is legal but there is a big "if" in there.
- atleta 6y agoAlso, it makes a lot of difference whether you are an employee or a subcontractor. These laws protect the employees. It's actually explicitly specified in this document as well: in the context of an employment contract/relationship,
- hef19898 6y agoA lot of stuff is more or less illegal. Especially in employment, as long as nobody sues, nobody cares. And which freelancer would sue? Or which employee, as far as that's concerned? And even if, worst case is a small fine for the employer. Unfortunately.
- consp 6y agoIANAL but isn't a breach of privacy a criminal law thing and all the other stuff civil? In that case it is also a thing for agencies to check up on or to prosecute even if there is no real harm. I'm talking about illegal activity here not the legal which is, as already stated, sometimes allowed.
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoIndeed the UK ruling that Uber is breaking the law and theirdrivers are workers, were 5 years (!) In the making. Thats a long time to make a profit, go fo IPO, etc.
- saiya-jin 6y agoYou are wrong here. In Europe, the fines after such a behavior for bigger companies could be easily in millions, even tens of millions of euros. That's why I am not aware of a single big company here doing it. Even those that have US branches with detailed monitoring there don't dare to run anything similar here. Once you get used to be treated like a human being its hard and irrational to accept anything less.
- hef19898 6y agoSometimes even big ones are doing these things, not explicitly surveillance so. Also true, smaller companies are more likely to be sketchy. And unfortunately, these large fines are rare, hard to enforce by employees. The really extreme US stuff is not used, that's true.
- ciceryadam 6y agoIt's legal, regulated and sometimes required if you are accessing production servers, with software like securelink. It's just considered as part of the audit trail.