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Why poo poo this? This is what really irks me when people laugh this stuff off and spout off something about Fermi's paradox without even understanding it. Fe
by noetic_techy 6y ago
Why poo poo this? This is what really irks me when people laugh this stuff off and spout off something about Fermi's paradox without even understanding it.
Fermi's paradox only asks simply "if statistics say they are everywhere, well then where are they?"
What if the answer is simply: "Zooming all around us and we occasionally see one". Period. The rest is assumption.
Fermi's paradox does NOT presuppose contact. That is likely a false assumption. It does not presuppose consistent detection also.
Why would they make contact anyways? Didn't Hawking point out that contact is a bad idea for lesser advanced cultures throughout history? Wouldn't extreme clandestine scientific activity be the MOST intelligent thing to do, even the most benevolent? Wouldn't extreme evasiveness and covert activity, even active concealment of both your orgin, existence, and intention be the most species-self-preserving if you knew you weren't "alone out there"? If they are sufficiently advanced, what could they possible gain talking to us that cannot simply be deduced from observation alone? When was the last time you parked your Tesla next to an ant hill and demanded to talk to the queen ant? When was the last time you tried to contact an un-contacted tribe deep in the jungle to announce your existence? None of that seems to pan out so we convince ourselves that it cannot be therefore it must not be based on false assumptions. Even if they were sloppy about concealment like we are I don't think we would even be able to pick up a alien TV station if it was emanating from a planet orbiting Alpha Centari. The signal loss is 1/r^2 unless you direct a focused tight beam dedicated to being detected.
And what would you want the governments of the world to tell you if they knew? "Yes, they are here. Yes we know some. Yes they are super advanced. No there is nothing we can do about it sorry they run circles our best stuff. Yeah we also heard a rumor they are taking people in the middle of the night and we don't know why. Sleep tight!" ... Think of the lawsuits!
I would say black project aircraft is the only viable alternative theory, but how is that not EQUALLY interesting also given the capability described? Why poo poo it? That's what I don't understand. I don't buy mass hallucinations of the same thing over and over. Its just too consistent.
"Where's the video"? Go take a video of the full moon with your phone and tell me if its discernible from a can light on a distant black ceiling.
Just my 2 cents. Would love the hear the counter argument.
- joubert 6y agoIt sounds like you’re saying “the absence of evidence IS evidence of an advanced alien civilization (because they’d hide)”. Or do I misinterpret?
- noetic_techy 6y agoExactly. I'd even build upon Asimov a little: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, and any sufficiently advance civilization would appear both magical technologically and would LIKELY trend towards being highly elusive.
- joubert 6y agoThen, by your logic, they don’t exist since they got caught on tape.
- GoblinSlayer 6y agoWhat's your opinion on existence of Planet nine?
- sneak 6y agoAnother reason to not dismiss it: UFO does not mean extraterrestrial, it just means unidentified.
- AtlasBarfed 6y agoIf there are aliens, we are in deep shit. There are two poles: Either the aliens are extremely rapacious, or very enlightened. If they're rapacious, we are weak annoying ants to be crushed. If they're enlightened, a cursory examination of our history and treatment of the world would show that we are extremely rapacious, and need to be contained or destroyed. So no matter where on that continuum, we are either destroyed or enslaved.
- MichaelMoser123 6y agoWhy would alients want to enslave us if they have robots? In any case they are not very talkative, they didn't even contact us; if it is them they are just monitoring; makes sense: the only thing one could do with a primitive culture is to monitor it, because otherwise you risk destoying it. Maybe these are alien anthropologists doing a field study.