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I agree with you but I also think that part of it is: - If you make the SSD replaceable, many more people will replace theirs. - Apple doesn't want to put an

by Smoosh 6y ago

I agree with you but I also think that part of it is: - If you make the SSD replaceable, many more people will replace theirs. - Apple doesn't want to put an SSD access port into their laptops for design/strength/reliability reasons. - Replacing the SSD would therefore entail people disassembling the computer. - Apple doesn't want people disassembling the computer * solution = solder it onto the motherboard.

simonh 6y ago
- If you make the SSD replaceable, many more people will replace theirs. Very few non technical consumers, which is the vast majority, ever upgrade their computer.
- gumby 6y ago
  Which means designing in an affordance for it adds a cost for a feature used by a few.
  - grishka 6y ago
    They have the "pro" line for a reason. It's meant for professionals. It's okay to solder RAM and SSD in lower-end models I suppose, but not in those people actually use to get their job done.
    - vesinisa 6y ago
      I must agree with this. About a year ago, our company's iOS development team was replaced. The managers bought the new developers company MBPs. However, after about six months they started complaining that they could not make progress on one feature because Xcode kept crashing when they opened an existing Storyboard file. Turns out the managers had of course cheaped out and bought the developers Macs with the lowest 8GB memory option. Meanwhile, the consultants who originally created those files had had much more sensible 32GB. Now the MBPs for the whole team need to be replaced at great cost and double the environmental resource use. Without Apple soldering the memory our IT department would have certainly just upgraded the memory. In fact, when I ran into similar issue with needing 32GB to my 16GB Dell laptop, that's exactly what we did.
      - kgc 6y ago
        Or they could have just bought the max version the first go around. If it's for production the +$1k/dev is less than a few days of pay.
      - cryptonym 6y ago
        Apple can decrease environmental cost of early replacing MBP by not providing chargers, like they did with iPhones.
        ddoeth 6y ago
        Oh, great, yes, that is certainly going to have a huge impact. Because the chargers are known to have a huge impact because of all the rare earth in them.
        grishka 6y ago
        I'm not the kind of person who throws electronics away, but, you know, there's a proven and reliable way to decrease the environmental cost: don't make your damn devices disposable. Design them to be taken apart and make consumable components easily replaceable by the end user. But I guess non-disposable devices don't make charts go up as much as disposable ones do. Case in point: the M1 Mac Mini internals are half electronics, half air. They could've easily fit all kinds of slots and modular components in there, yet they deliberately decided not to.
      - breuleux 6y ago
        > double the environmental resource use I mean, they're not defective, they can be refurbished.
        vesinisa 6y ago
        Theoretically yes, if they were for example managed by a leasing company. In this case, the company actually only officially supports (leases) Windows laptops. Macs should not officially exist to start with, but are nevertheless required for iOS app development. So MBPs are handled as "extra" IT equipment. If there is no use for such a piece of IT equipment (e.g. it is underpowered or otherwise not fit for purpose) AND it contains sensitive business data (like a developer computer almost certainly does), it is actually a security issue for the company. So for security reasons the company would actually prefer that such computer be DESTROYED when there is no use for it anymore. Sadly you can not even remove the hard drive from a MBP and sell/give it to a employee for personal use, so Apple soldering the components on the mainboard is a double whammy.
yarcob 6y ago
2015 and earlier MacBook Pros had replaceable SSD drives. Remove 10 pentalobe screws, take off bottom panel, remove 1 torx screw, pull out SSD, put new SSD in, reassemble, done. The soldered on stuff is a recent change, and it's stupid for things like RAM, but even more stupid for things that wear like SSDs.

by Smoosh 6y ago

simonh 6y ago

- If you make the SSD replaceable, many more people will replace theirs. Very few non technical consumers, which is the vast majority, ever upgrade their computer.

gumby 6y ago
Which means designing in an affordance for it adds a cost for a feature used by a few.
- grishka 6y ago
  They have the "pro" line for a reason. It's meant for professionals. It's okay to solder RAM and SSD in lower-end models I suppose, but not in those people actually use to get their job done.
  - vesinisa 6y ago
    I must agree with this. About a year ago, our company's iOS development team was replaced. The managers bought the new developers company MBPs. However, after about six months they started complaining that they could not make progress on one feature because Xcode kept crashing when they opened an existing Storyboard file. Turns out the managers had of course cheaped out and bought the developers Macs with the lowest 8GB memory option. Meanwhile, the consultants who originally created those files had had much more sensible 32GB. Now the MBPs for the whole team need to be replaced at great cost and double the environmental resource use. Without Apple soldering the memory our IT department would have certainly just upgraded the memory. In fact, when I ran into similar issue with needing 32GB to my 16GB Dell laptop, that's exactly what we did.
    - kgc 6y ago
      Or they could have just bought the max version the first go around. If it's for production the +$1k/dev is less than a few days of pay.
    - cryptonym 6y ago
      Apple can decrease environmental cost of early replacing MBP by not providing chargers, like they did with iPhones.
      - ddoeth 6y ago
        Oh, great, yes, that is certainly going to have a huge impact. Because the chargers are known to have a huge impact because of all the rare earth in them.
      - grishka 6y ago
        I'm not the kind of person who throws electronics away, but, you know, there's a proven and reliable way to decrease the environmental cost: don't make your damn devices disposable. Design them to be taken apart and make consumable components easily replaceable by the end user. But I guess non-disposable devices don't make charts go up as much as disposable ones do. Case in point: the M1 Mac Mini internals are half electronics, half air. They could've easily fit all kinds of slots and modular components in there, yet they deliberately decided not to.
    - breuleux 6y ago
      > double the environmental resource use I mean, they're not defective, they can be refurbished.
      - vesinisa 6y ago
        Theoretically yes, if they were for example managed by a leasing company. In this case, the company actually only officially supports (leases) Windows laptops. Macs should not officially exist to start with, but are nevertheless required for iOS app development. So MBPs are handled as "extra" IT equipment. If there is no use for such a piece of IT equipment (e.g. it is underpowered or otherwise not fit for purpose) AND it contains sensitive business data (like a developer computer almost certainly does), it is actually a security issue for the company. So for security reasons the company would actually prefer that such computer be DESTROYED when there is no use for it anymore. Sadly you can not even remove the hard drive from a MBP and sell/give it to a employee for personal use, so Apple soldering the components on the mainboard is a double whammy.

yarcob 6y ago

2015 and earlier MacBook Pros had replaceable SSD drives. Remove 10 pentalobe screws, take off bottom panel, remove 1 torx screw, pull out SSD, put new SSD in, reassemble, done. The soldered on stuff is a recent change, and it's stupid for things like RAM, but even more stupid for things that wear like SSDs.